[Strawbale] Strawbale Digest, Vol 37, Issue 2
Sarah Phillips
sarah at eticas...
Wed Dec 17 14:45:00 CET 2008
re:straw bales Spain
Thanks everyone for your replies, I will take a look at the recommended
websites.
I am going to be building my SB house close to Alicante (about 40km inland),
I think I have found my plot of land and have a couple of architects lined
up who are interested in my project.
My husband is hoping to do a lot of the work himself but at the moment we
are trying to gather as much information to help us as possible.
Has anyone got a rough break down of the costs involved in building a SB
house?
Gracias
Sarah
2008/12/17 <strawbale-request at amper....muni.cz>
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> 3. Re: Straw bales in Spain (valentina)
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> From: Rikki Nitzkin <rikkinitzkin at earthlink...>
> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:16:34 +0100
> Subject: [Strawbale] straw bale in Spain
> At the moment, there has been no dificulty getting permission to build
> legally in Spain. You have to go through the same process as any other home.
> Here in Spain, this requires having the signature of an Architect and a
> Technical architect. Since they take "responsability" for the design it
> usually gets approved. The problem, is that there are very few architects
> with any SB experience, and "newbies" tend to be a bit afraid and make very
> conservative designs not necessarily thinking in a "straw" way...It is not a
> cheap process.
>
> The other possibility is to ask in your local area what the
> requirements/limitations are for building a "caseta de campo" (a shed),
> which can sometimes be done without an architect, but the requirements can
> vary from town to town, being possible something anywhere from 9m2 to 35 m2
> depending on where you live.
>
> There are now quite a few legal SB homes in spain, including a Bed and
> Breakfast in the province of Teruel. There are both loadbearing and Infill
> buildings legal.
>
> What is more difficult is insuring the building, but if you are planning on
> building it yourself you are not required to insure it, although you cannot
> sell it until after 10 years (the minimum insurance for new homes)...A very
> few homes have been able to be insured, but only Infill buildings, not
> loadbearing.
>
> It is VERY helpful to learn Spanish if you wish to be able to work with
> anything legal in Spain.
>
> Rikki Jennifer Nitzkin
> Coordinator of the Spanish Strawbale Network (www.casasdepaja.org)
> casasdepaja at yahoo...
>
> rikkinitzkin at earthlink...
> 0034 657 33 51 62
> Aulás, Lleida
>
> "Tenemos el Derecho y la Responsabilidad de Crear el Mundo en que Queremos
> Vivir"
>
>
>
>
> El 17/12/2008, a las 12:00, strawbale-request at amper....muni.cz escribió:
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>>
>> 1. Straw bales in Spain (Sarah Phillips)
>> 2. Re: Straw bales in Spain (peter weijnen)
>> 3. Re: Straw bales in Spain (paul david)
>> 4. Re: Straw bales in Spain (Simon Blackbourn)
>> 5. Re: Straw bales in Spain (Patrick O'neill)
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>> From: "Sarah Phillips" <sarah at eticas...>
>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
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>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>
>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
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>> From: peter weijnen <peter_weijnen at hotmail...>
>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>> To: <strawbale at amper....muni.cz>
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>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> As far as I know the best place to look for straw bales is the
>> Guadalajara region.They have them of good quality and quantity, but you'll
>> have to look and shop around for good consistency.
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>> From: sarah at eticas...
>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>
>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
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>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:14:00 +0100
>> From: paul david <werdnast at hotmail...>
>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>> To: <strawbale at amper....muni.cz>
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>> Where are you planning on building as bales are available in most areas of
>> Spain. What you might want to do is to talk to local farmers and ask them to
>> set their baler to make them more dense than they normally would. I know
>> somebody who did that in Aragon (Prov Teruel) and was very happy with the
>> results. I am planning to build also in Prov Teruel but near the border with
>> Cataluna and have been doing a bit of bale research if that would be useful
>> to you.
>> Some areas where there are large areas put down to wheat make those giant
>> round bales mostly, but you can usually find a farmer or two using the
>> traditional baler. Basically if you have the time, talking to people before
>> the harvest, and explaining what are looking for is a big bonus.
>> Good luck, and be in touch if I can be any help.
>>
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>> From: sarah at eticas...
>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>
>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
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>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:41:28 +0000
>> From: "Simon Blackbourn" <piemanek at gmail...>
>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>> To: "European strawbale building discussions"
>> <strawbale at amper....muni.cz>
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>> hi peter
>>
>> there is an active email list especially for strawbale builders in spain:
>> you can find more info at http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/paja
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>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:56:22 +0000
>> From: "Patrick O'neill" <patrick at frdata....uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
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>>
>> Hi
>>
>> If you speak Spanish http://www.casasdepaja.org/ is a good site.
>>
>> Building straw bale legally in Spain is difficult because the material
>> is not been approved by the national architects association. (or had
>> not been in 2006 when I last checked)
>>
>> I think that a couple of legal straw bale buildings have been approved
>> individually but it is an expensive process.
>>
>> Building illegally in hidden away places is possible and much more
>> common for straw bale in Spain.
>>
>> Spanish building and planning law is different than UK (not better or
>> worse just different) and it helps to understand it.
>>
>> If any one has more up to date info on approval of SB is Spain I would
>> very much like to know as I want to do a legal SB build in Spain.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Sarah Phillips <sarah at eticas...>:
>>
>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>>
>>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Patrick O'neill" <patrick at frdata....uk>
> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:54:24 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] straw bale in Spain
>
> Rikki
>
> Thanks for some more up to date information. My problem in 2006 was
> finding an architect who would sign off a load bearing self build, SB
> building.
> The architect that I was working with was keen but would only use technical
> infomation from the regional body.
>
> Dos anyone have a list of informed architects?
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Rikki Nitzkin <rikkinitzkin at earthlink...>:
>
> At the moment, there has been no dificulty getting permission to build
>> legally in Spain. You have to go through the same process as any other
>> home. Here in Spain, this requires having the signature of an
>> Architect and a Technical architect. Since they take "responsability"
>> for the design it usually gets approved. The problem, is that there
>> are very few architects with any SB experience, and "newbies" tend to
>> be a bit afraid and make very conservative designs not necessarily
>> thinking in a "straw" way...It is not a cheap process.
>>
>> The other possibility is to ask in your local area what the
>> requirements/limitations are for building a "caseta de campo" (a
>> shed), which can sometimes be done without an architect, but the
>> requirements can vary from town to town, being possible something
>> anywhere from 9m2 to 35 m2 depending on where you live.
>>
>> There are now quite a few legal SB homes in spain, including a Bed and
>> Breakfast in the province of Teruel. There are both loadbearing and
>> Infill buildings legal.
>>
>> What is more difficult is insuring the building, but if you are
>> planning on building it yourself you are not required to insure it,
>> although you cannot sell it until after 10 years (the minimum
>> insurance for new homes)...A very few homes have been able to be
>> insured, but only Infill buildings, not loadbearing.
>>
>> It is VERY helpful to learn Spanish if you wish to be able to work
>> with anything legal in Spain.
>>
>> Rikki Jennifer Nitzkin
>> Coordinator of the Spanish Strawbale Network (www.casasdepaja.org)
>> casasdepaja at yahoo...
>>
>> rikkinitzkin at earthlink...
>> 0034 657 33 51 62
>> Aulás, Lleida
>>
>> "Tenemos el Derecho y la Responsabilidad de Crear el Mundo en que
>> Queremos Vivir"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El 17/12/2008, a las 12:00, strawbale-request at amper....muni.cz
>> escribió:
>>
>> Send Strawbale mailing list submissions to
>>> strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> strawbale-request at amper....muni.cz
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>> strawbale-owner at amper....muni.cz
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Strawbale digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Straw bales in Spain (Sarah Phillips)
>>> 2. Re: Straw bales in Spain (peter weijnen)
>>> 3. Re: Straw bales in Spain (paul david)
>>> 4. Re: Straw bales in Spain (Simon Blackbourn)
>>> 5. Re: Straw bales in Spain (Patrick O'neill)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>>> From: "Sarah Phillips" <sarah at eticas...>
>>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <149163de0812160933o1cb3dd4co62359d072b10d1a9 at mail....com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>>
>>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
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>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:34:10 +0000
>>> From: peter weijnen <peter_weijnen at hotmail...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>> To: <strawbale at amper....muni.cz>
>>> Message-ID: <BAY116-W26F06D5AC55FF5F4B7CFE092F50 at phx...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As far as I know the best place to look for straw bales is the
>>> Guadalajara region.They have them of good quality and quantity, but
>>> you'll have to look and shop around for good consistency.
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>>> From: sarah at eticas...
>>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>>
>>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:14:00 +0100
>>> From: paul david <werdnast at hotmail...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>> To: <strawbale at amper....muni.cz>
>>> Message-ID: <BAY101-W280F4819645E318AC0A8CEC3F50 at phx...>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> Where are you planning on building as bales are available in most
>>> areas of Spain. What you might want to do is to talk to local
>>> farmers and ask them to set their baler to make them more dense than
>>> they normally would. I know somebody who did that in Aragon (Prov
>>> Teruel) and was very happy with the results. I am planning to build
>>> also in Prov Teruel but near the border with Cataluna and have been
>>> doing a bit of bale research if that would be useful to you.
>>> Some areas where there are large areas put down to wheat make those
>>> giant round bales mostly, but you can usually find a farmer or two
>>> using the traditional baler. Basically if you have the time, talking
>>> to people before the harvest, and explaining what are looking for is
>>> a big bonus.
>>> Good luck, and be in touch if I can be any help.
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>>> From: sarah at eticas...
>>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>>
>>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:41:28 +0000
>>> From: "Simon Blackbourn" <piemanek at gmail...>
>>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>> To: "European strawbale building discussions"
>>> <strawbale at amper....muni.cz>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <65b196650812161241v2e583782oaabff5c4bbad0e95 at mail....com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> hi peter
>>>
>>> there is an active email list especially for strawbale builders in
>>> spain:
>>> you can find more info at http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/paja
>>>
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>>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:56:22 +0000
>>> From: "Patrick O'neill" <patrick at frdata....uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
>>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>> Message-ID: <20081217095622.8nbqlisime8goock at 82...195.128.132>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
>>> format="flowed"
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> If you speak Spanish http://www.casasdepaja.org/ is a good site.
>>>
>>> Building straw bale legally in Spain is difficult because the material
>>> is not been approved by the national architects association. (or had
>>> not been in 2006 when I last checked)
>>>
>>> I think that a couple of legal straw bale buildings have been approved
>>> individually but it is an expensive process.
>>>
>>> Building illegally in hidden away places is possible and much more
>>> common for straw bale in Spain.
>>>
>>> Spanish building and planning law is different than UK (not better or
>>> worse just different) and it helps to understand it.
>>>
>>> If any one has more up to date info on approval of SB is Spain I would
>>> very much like to know as I want to do a legal SB build in Spain.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Sarah Phillips <sarah at eticas...>:
>>>
>>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>>>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>>>
>>>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Strawbale mailing list
>>> Strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>> http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale
>>>
>>>
>>> End of Strawbale Digest, Vol 37, Issue 1
>>> ****************************************
>>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: valentina <valentina at ara-b...>
> To: European strawbale building discussions <strawbale at amper....muni.cz>
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:46:30 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
> One very good thing in Spain (catalunya-valencia) is that you can find
> rice-straw that is a good quality of straw for building
> Every year the quality change....because of different growth-water in the
> field...so you really must check your supplier year by year..
> At the moment there are no expert supplier as you can find in
> germany....but we are working at the european level to set a sistem of local
> certification...
>
> We made already 4 legal-houses and1little community building....to do so we
> use information of tests from other country and a lot of talks with pubblic
> officers...
>
> Now the law of building has change and in a way is a better change for
> straw bale because allows much more innovation...on the other hand the
> pubblic offcials ara more insecure because they still don't know the new
> procedures...so they are more careful and ask for much more accuracy....
>
> For insurance...if you use a wood structure or another "traditional"
> structure you can get insurance.....the simple one...if you want the
> insurance that allows you to sell the house before ten years have been
> passed...than you have much more trouble and you may need to go trough a
> quiet complex procedure of testing and controls....
>
> un saludo, valentina
>
> arq. valentina maini
> arquitectos ara B sccl.
> www.ara-b.org-valentina at ara-b...
> t.f. +34 933197631
> ronda sant pere 58, pralB 08010 barcelona
>
>
>
>
> El 16/12/2008, a las 18:33, Sarah Phillips escribió:
>
> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>>
>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>
>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> ____________________________________________________
>> European strawbale building discussion list
>>
>> Send all messages to:
>> Strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>
>> Archives, subscription options, etc:
>> http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale
>> ____________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
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