[Strawbale] straw bale in Spain

Wed Dec 17 12:54:24 CET 2008

Rikki

Thanks for some more up to date information.  My problem in 2006 was  
finding an architect who would sign off a load bearing self build, SB  
building.
The architect that I was working with was keen but would only use  
technical infomation from the regional body.

Dos anyone have a list of informed architects?

Patrick

Quoting Rikki Nitzkin <rikkinitzkin at earthlink...>:

> At the moment, there has been no dificulty getting permission to build
> legally in Spain. You have to go through the same process as any other
> home. Here in Spain, this requires having the signature of an
> Architect and a Technical architect. Since they take "responsability"
> for the design it usually gets approved. The problem, is that there
> are very few architects with any SB experience, and "newbies" tend to
> be a bit afraid and make very conservative designs not necessarily
> thinking in a "straw" way...It is not a cheap process.
>
> The other possibility is to ask in your local area what the
> requirements/limitations are for building a "caseta de campo" (a
> shed), which can sometimes be done without an architect, but the
> requirements can vary from town to town, being possible something
> anywhere from  9m2 to 35 m2 depending on where you live.
>
> There are now quite a few legal SB homes in spain, including a Bed and
> Breakfast in the province of Teruel. There are both loadbearing and
> Infill buildings legal.
>
> What is more difficult is insuring the building, but if you are
> planning on building it yourself you are not required to insure it,
> although you cannot sell it until after 10 years (the minimum
> insurance for new homes)...A very few homes have been able to be
> insured, but only Infill buildings, not loadbearing.
>
> It is VERY helpful to learn Spanish if you wish to be able to work
> with anything legal in Spain.
>
> Rikki Jennifer Nitzkin
> Coordinator of the Spanish Strawbale Network (www.casasdepaja.org)
> casasdepaja at yahoo...
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> El 17/12/2008, a las 12:00, strawbale-request at amper....muni.cz
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>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>
>> Any other advice much appreciated.
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>> Thanks
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>>    Hello,
>>
>>   As far as I know the best place to look for straw bales is the
>> Guadalajara region.They have them of good quality and quantity, but
>> you'll have to look and shop around for good consistency.
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>> From: sarah at eticas...
>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
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>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
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>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:14:00 +0100
>> From: paul david <werdnast at hotmail...>
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>> Where are you planning on building as bales are available in most
>> areas of Spain. What you might want to do is to talk to local
>> farmers and ask them to set their baler to make them more dense than
>> they normally would. I know somebody who did that in Aragon (Prov
>> Teruel) and was very happy with the results. I am planning to build
>> also in Prov Teruel but near the border with Cataluna and have been
>> doing a bit of bale research if that would be useful to you.
>> Some areas where there are large areas put down to wheat make those
>> giant round bales mostly, but you can usually find a farmer or two
>> using the traditional baler. Basically if you have the time, talking
>> to people before the harvest, and explaining what are looking for is
>> a big bonus.
>> Good luck, and be in touch if I can be any help.
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>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:23 +0100
>> From: sarah at eticas...
>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw bales in Spain
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>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
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>> hi peter
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>> there is an active email list especially for strawbale builders in
>> spain:
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>> From: "Patrick O'neill" <patrick at frdata....uk>
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>> Hi
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>> If you speak Spanish http://www.casasdepaja.org/ is a good site.
>>
>> Building straw bale legally in Spain is difficult because the material
>> is not  been approved by the national architects association.  (or had
>> not been in 2006 when I last checked)
>>
>> I think that a couple of legal straw bale buildings have been approved
>> individually but it is an expensive process.
>>
>> Building illegally in hidden away places is possible and much more
>> common for straw bale in Spain.
>>
>> Spanish building and planning law is different than UK (not better or
>> worse just different) and it helps to understand it.
>>
>> If any one has more up to date info on approval of SB is Spain I would
>> very much like to know as I want to do a legal SB build in Spain.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
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>> Quoting Sarah Phillips <sarah at eticas...>:
>>
>>> I am thinking of building a straw bale house in Spain.
>>> Does anyone know how easy it is to get good quality bales here?
>>>
>>> Any other advice much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
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