[Strawbale] Fw: industrialization of bale wall construction

Bane M. Prvanovic house at beocity.net
Wed Feb 15 14:57:56 CET 2012

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bane M. Prvanovic 
To: Michael K. Lough 
Cc: Milan Srdic ; Janko Radojevic 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Strawbale] industrialization of bale wall construction

Dear Balers,

It surprised me that strictest nature lover among us (I took a freedom to express my personal impression of Max) has changed his attitude about industrial approach to SBB.

I can not agree more with Michael: lot of transports + lot of logistics + lot of machinery = lot of money, no matter if government refund some of the costs.

At ESBG 2011. we presented DragOn PRO. Some of you had a chance to try it, some of you allready have experience with it. We consider DragOn PRO as spin-off of our other, much important project.

My team has designed and prepared completely different solution which will be revealed at Innovact 2012. in Reims, France on 27. march 2012. Working title is WENECO System - Walls for ENergy and ECOlogy. WENECO System will make strawbale building possible and easy anywhere by anyone, with minimal consumption of fossil fuels, so industrialisation of strawbale building will be at your door step too. After Innovact we can discuss about it and building codes as well...

All of you will be introduced to WENECO System after Innovact (we strongly take care about intelectual property for it) and you will have a possibility to learn it at ESBG 2013. if our Hosting proposal wins (I suppose that we can discuss about proposal after application on 1. march 2012.).

In the meantime, if anyone of you have some questions about DragOn PRO, I will be more than happy to help.

Best regards,
Bane M. Prvanovic

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael K. Lough 
  To: strawbale at amper.ped.muni.cz 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:08 PM
  Subject: [Strawbale] industrialization of bale wall construction

  The hurdle is always regional and local building code acceptability. Perhaps we might know of any problems (and how they were overcome) in this area and if new definitions like 'cellulose' being used in description of insulation infill to frame construction were employed in building permit applications? 

  I agree the separation of art from science is probably a good thing unless it promotes transporting wall units through 3 countries by diesel powered trucks.


  Michael Lough

  On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:00 AM, <strawbale-request at amper.ped.muni.cz> wrote:

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      1. Re:  Was Strawbale dome - Now Pre-fab (Max Vittrup Jensen)

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    From: Max Vittrup Jensen <Max at PermaLot.org>
    To: strawbale at amper.ped.muni.cz
    Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:45:58 +0100
    Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Was Strawbale dome - Now Pre-fab

    Derek et al.

    Things change fast...so do minds. When I first heard about pre-fab I scorned the idea, now I believe it's the way of the future for SB building. It's the most effective way to build, it can be done year round, it's safer, and even ergonomically better!
    With all due respect for other continents, then it seems that a number of companies in Europe are leading in this field. Here's the ones I know about:

    The ones present at the ESBG 2011:
    Belgian Pailletech: www.pailletech.be (Pre plastered)
    Latvian Ecocoon: www.ecococon.lt (light weight)

    In UK there's:
    Eco Fab www.eco-fab.co.uk (closed with OSB)
    Modcell: www.modcell.com/ (solid wood frames)

    Between them all there's Dutch
    Rene Dalmeijer www.tuvalustrobouw.nl (Out-sourced production to Romania)
    and creative wood construction in Austria: www.kreativerholzbau.at/ (Closed panels; can't tell which material)

    And lets not forget that all along foundation boxes have been used by Swiss big baler:
    Werner Schmidt www.atelierwernerschmidt.ch (solid wood frames)

    I'm certain there's companies I'm not aware off, and I hope you'd reply to this post to make the list more complete?

    Common to all is a high level of professionalism, presenting a product readily accepted by the main-stream 'consumer', thus helping to get SB building out of the decade old stigma's.

    Max Vittrup Jensen

    On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Derek Roff <derek at unm.edu> wrote:

      To counter-balance my negative comments on strawbale domes, I want to provide a few links to some interesting and encouraging approaches to building with strawbale.  In addition to the well-publicized and carefully refined building methods that have been developed over the last twenty years of the strawbale building revival, new ideas and techniques are always popping up.  Some of them make more sense to me than others.  I am intrigued with many of the panelizing systems for strawbales (and depressed by the obvious flaws in a few of them).  If this interests you, take a look at the links below, one of which I included yesterday.  John Glassford is the only person I have heard of experimenting with tilt-up interior strawbale walls (150mm thick), as well as other panel ideas.  Chris Magwood has a modular panel wall system that I find very exciting and promising.  Both these systems apply the plaster/render with the wall in horizontal position, which is an incredible help to quick and effective plastering.  


      Derek Roff

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