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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=house@beocity.net href="mailto:house@beocity.net">Bane M. Prvanovic</A>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mklough@pobox.com
href="mailto:mklough@pobox.com">Michael K. Lough</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=laan.moon@gmail.com
href="mailto:laan.moon@gmail.com">Milan Srdic</A> ; <A title=jahko.r@gmail.com
href="mailto:jahko.r@gmail.com">Janko Radojevic</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Strawbale] industrialization of bale wall
construction</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dear Balers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It surprised me that strictest nature lover among
us (I took a freedom to express my personal impression of Max) has changed
his attitude about industrial approach to SBB.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I can not agree more with Michael: lot of
transports + lot of logistics + lot of machinery = lot of money, no matter if
government refund some of the costs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>At ESBG 2011. we presented DragOn PRO. Some of you
had a chance to try it, some of you allready have experience with it. We
consider DragOn PRO as spin-off of our other, much important
project.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My team has designed and prepared completely
different solution which will be revealed at Innovact 2012. in Reims, France on
27. march 2012. Working title is WENECO System - Walls for ENergy and ECOlogy.
WENECO System will make strawbale building possible and easy anywhere by anyone,
with minimal consumption of fossil fuels, so industrialisation of strawbale
building will be at your door step too. After Innovact we can discuss about
it and building codes as well...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>All of you will be introduced to WENECO System
after Innovact (we strongly take care about intelectual property for it) and you
will have a possibility to learn it at ESBG 2013. if our Hosting proposal wins
(I suppose that we can discuss about proposal after application on 1. march
2012.).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In the meantime, if anyone of you have some
questions about DragOn PRO, I will be more than happy to help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bane M. Prvanovic</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mklough@pobox.com href="mailto:mklough@pobox.com">Michael K.
Lough</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=strawbale@amper.ped.muni.cz
href="mailto:strawbale@amper.ped.muni.cz">strawbale@amper.ped.muni.cz</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Strawbale] industrialization of
bale wall construction</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=4>The hurdle is always regional and local building
code acceptability. Perhaps we might know of any problems (and how they were
overcome) in this area and if new definitions like 'cellulose' being used in
description of insulation infill to frame construction were employed in
building permit applications?</FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I agree the separation of art from science is probably a
good thing unless it promotes transporting wall units through 3 countries by
diesel powered trucks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Michael Lough</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:00 AM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:strawbale-request@amper.ped.muni.cz">strawbale-request@amper.ped.muni.cz</A>></SPAN>
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Was Strawbale dome - Now Pre-fab (Max Vittrup
Jensen)<BR><BR><BR>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>From: Max
Vittrup Jensen <Max@PermaLot.org><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:strawbale@amper.ped.muni.cz">strawbale@amper.ped.muni.cz</A><BR>Cc: <BR>Date: Mon,
13 Feb 2012 18:45:58 +0100<BR>Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Was Strawbale
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class=gmail_quote></BLOCKQUOTE>Derek et al.<BR><BR>Things change fast...so
do minds. When I first heard about pre-fab I scorned the idea, now I believe
it's the way of the future for SB building. It's the most effective way to
build, it can be done year round, it's safer, and even ergonomically
better!<BR>With all due respect for other continents, then it seems that a
number of companies in Europe are leading in this field. Here's the ones I
know about:<BR><BR>The ones present at the ESBG 2011:<BR>Belgian
Pailletech: <A href="http://www.pailletech.be"
target=_blank>www.pailletech.be</A> (Pre plastered)<BR>Latvian
Ecocoon: <A href="http://www.ecococon.lt"
target=_blank>www.ecococon.lt</A> (light weight)<BR><BR>In UK
there's:<BR>Eco Fab <A href="http://www.eco-fab.co.uk/pages/evolution"
target=_blank>www.eco-fab.co.uk</A> (closed with
OSB)<BR>Modcell: <A href="http://www.modcell.com/"
target=_blank>www.modcell.com/</A> (solid wood frames)<BR><BR>Between
them all there's Dutch<BR>Rene Dalmeijer <A
href="http://www.tuvalustrobouw.nl/"
target=_blank>www.tuvalustrobouw.nl</A> (Out-sourced production to
Romania)<BR>and creative wood construction in Austria: <A
href="http://www.kreativerholzbau.at/"
target=_blank>www.kreativerholzbau.at/</A> (Closed panels; can't tell
which material)<BR><BR>And lets not forget that all along foundation
boxes have been used by Swiss big baler:<BR>Werner Schmidt <A
href="http://www.atelierwernerschmidt.ch"
target=_blank>www.atelierwernerschmidt.ch</A> (solid wood frames)<BR><BR>I'm
certain there's companies I'm not aware off, and I hope you'd reply to this
post to make the list more complete?<BR><BR>Common to all is a high level of
professionalism, presenting a product readily accepted by the main-stream
'consumer', thus helping to get SB building out of the decade old
stigma's.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Max Vittrup Jensen<BR><A
href="http://www.jen-sen.cz" target=_blank>www.jen-sen.cz</A><BR><BR>On Sun,
Feb 12, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Derek Roff <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:derek@unm.edu" target=_blank>derek@unm.edu</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>To counter-balance my negative comments on
strawbale domes, I want to provide a few links to some interesting and
encouraging approaches to building with strawbale. In addition to
the well-publicized and carefully refined building methods that have been
developed over the last twenty years of the strawbale building revival,
new ideas and techniques are always popping up. Some of them make
more sense to me than others. I am intrigued with many of the
panelizing systems for strawbales (and depressed by the obvious flaws in a
few of them). If this interests you, take a look at the links below,
one of which I included yesterday. John Glassford is the only person
I have heard of experimenting with tilt-up interior strawbale walls (150mm
thick), as well as other panel ideas. Chris Magwood has a modular
panel wall system that I find very exciting and promising. Both
these systems apply the plaster/render with the wall in horizontal
position, which is an incredible help to quick and effective plastering.
<BR><BR>Derelict<BR><FONT size=3 face=Helvetica><BR></FONT>
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