[Strawbale] Reminder of Straw Bale Houses in Europe

Thu Mar 28 15:44:26 CET 2013

Let me just add, that all non profit organisations have self-imposed  
targets,
even Greenpeace, WWF and others.
There is no obligation to do certain things, others expect from us.

Maybe the misunderstanding comes from the term "national networks".
This doesn't mean that we know everything or are responsible for  
everything in our country.
Or that we are the only ones.

You need to be an official organization (existing for 3 years) for  
working together on EU-basis.
This is just what we are: non profit organisations in our countries  
working for the straw bale idea,
and the more of these organisations, the better.

I never wanted to be the only one in Austria (and we are not), we also  
cooperate in our country
with organizations like Qualifizierungsnetzwerk Stroh im Bauwesen,  
Grat, Energieinstitut Vorarlberg,
Energieinstitut Graz, Baubiologie Institut, Ecoplus and many others,  
also with companies.
In Austria we are one of many organisations, each with self-imposed  
targets.
This is what I meant. I like this, and I like cooperation on national  
and international basis.

And I don't want to insult anyone.

Mit lieben Grüßen
Herbert Gruber
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asbn - austrian strawbale network
3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6
Tel. 02958-83640
asbn at baubiologie.at
www.baubiologie.at

Am 28.03.2013 um 15:22 schrieb Max Vittrup Jensen:

> No, as I've learned to expect, this is a complete spin of what I  
> wrote: Not remotely to do with what I wrote.
> No further comments, as list admin has a proven record of letting  
> you insult, manipulate and spin, but censoring me. So be it.
>
> Max
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:18 PM, asbn <asbn at baubiologie.at> wrote:
> You're right Max, and I like this variability.
> Imagine a world, where everyone would do the same.
>
> And I understand, that some networks spread their informations just  
> in their language.
> I spent every working day (every day!) in my life 1-2 hours just to  
> answer questions about straw bale building in Austria (for free!).
> This is the reason why we never thought about translating our  
> website into english.
>
> But there is a lot of cooperation and there are a lot of  
> international, European projects,
> where we work on an international level (in english), together with  
> networks from
> nearly all European countries to improve the way we are building now.
>
> Just that you are no part of that cooperations doesn't mean that it  
> doesn't exist.
>
> And let me say, most of us do that work for free or sometimes get  
> our travels paid (EU Leonardo partnerships)
> because we like straw bale building, like to spread the ways/ 
> philosophy of community building and ecology
> and the things we get back are (normally) not money but love,  
> friendship and recognition. Whats wrong about that?
> This is the best motivation to do good things in the world:-)
>
> all the best
> Herbert
> -----------------
> asbn - austrian strawbale network
> 3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6
> Tel. 02958-83640
> asbn at baubiologie.at
> www.baubiologie.at
>
>
>
> Am 28.03.2013 um 14:51 schrieb Max Vittrup Jensen:
>
>> To Herberts list of motivations by socalled 'national networks':
>>
>> -Some only promotes their language region within a country of  
>> several languages.
>> -Some exists to promote the persons managing it
>> -Some are not aware that they got appointed at ESBG09 to be the  
>> national contact, and has never done any kind of dissamination of  
>> information
>> -Some earlier well functioning networks have simply disintegrated.  
>> As I recall Lars Keller declared at ESBG07: The SB 'revolution'  
>> appears to have been so successful in DK that a network is no  
>> longer necessary: It is a commonly accepted approach of building.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Max
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM, asbn <asbn at baubiologie.at> wrote:
>> Sometimes it seems this is a little bit of a contest, who has more  
>> straw bale houses.
>>
>> We document sb-houses only
>> * if the families want it to be published
>> * which means sometimes a lot of visitors and questions
>> * for purposes of learning how to solve the details
>>
>> There are more than one lists in Europe...
>>
>> And there are different national networks with different ambitions.
>> * some just offer workshops
>> * some document straw bale buildings in their area
>> * some document straw bale bildings nationwide
>>
>> In fact, documenting is hard work, for the future I am more
>> (and I think the visitors on our website are also) interested
>> in better solutions and new ways of construction
>> than to document the hundredsecond hobbithouse built with bales
>>
>> all the best
>> Herbert
>> -----------------
>> asbn - austrian strawbale network
>> 3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6
>> Tel. 02958-83640
>> asbn at baubiologie.at
>> www.baubiologie.at
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 28.03.2013 um 14:12 schrieb Marcel Burgstaller:
>>
>>> Is this the only list existing for such purposes? I fear every  
>>> country has its own solution so we have to create the USBB (United  
>>> StrawBale Builders) :-))
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Marcel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In looking at the International Strawbale Registry this morning
>>>>
>>>> http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/search.straw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see only 6 entries for Spain and 1 for Austria.
>>>> Clearly, if Europeans want to be more accurately represented,  
>>>> some updating is in order.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:19:46 -0400, valentina maini  
>>>> <vmaini at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here in Spain we are still counting and organizing the data  
>>>>> base...at the moment we have knwoledge of 71 buildings of more  
>>>>> than 25m2
>>>>>
>>>>> El 28/03/2013, a las 12:09, asbn escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We are still counting, but we have 106 sb-houses documented in  
>>>>>> our database.
>>>>>> Probably the right number will be about 120 in Austria.
>>>>
>>>>>> Am 28.03.2013 um 11:20 schrieb Dittmar Hecken:
>>>>>>> I repeat my question:
>>>>>>> How many completed straw bale buildings do you have in your  
>>>>>>> country?
>>>>>>> In this case a building should have more than 25 m².
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> === * ===
>>>> Rob Tom					AOD257
>>>> Kanata, Ontario, Canada
>>>>
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