<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Let me just add, that all non profit organisations have self-imposed targets,<div>even Greenpeace, WWF and others.</div><div>There is no obligation to do certain things, others expect from us.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe the misunderstanding comes from the term "national networks".</div><div>This doesn't mean that we know everything or are responsible for everything in our country.</div><div>Or that we are the only ones.</div><div><br></div><div>You need to be an official organization (existing for 3 years) for working together on EU-basis.</div><div>This is just what we are: non profit organisations in our countries working for the straw bale idea,</div><div>and the more of these organisations, the better.</div><div><br></div><div>I never wanted to be the only one in Austria (and we are not), we also cooperate in our country </div><div>with organizations like Qualifizierungsnetzwerk Stroh im Bauwesen, Grat, Energieinstitut Vorarlberg,</div><div>Energieinstitut Graz, Baubiologie Institut, Ecoplus and many others, also with companies.</div><div>In Austria we are one of many organisations, each with self-imposed targets.</div><div>This is what I meant. I like this, and I like cooperation on national and international basis.</div><div><br></div><div>And I don't want to insult anyone.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>Mit lieben Grüßen</div><div>Herbert Gruber</div><div>-----------------</div><div>asbn - austrian strawbale network</div><div>3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6</div><div>Tel. 02958-83640</div><div><a href="mailto:asbn@baubiologie.at">asbn@baubiologie.at</a></div><div><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at">www.baubiologie.at</a></div></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>Am 28.03.2013 um 15:22 schrieb Max Vittrup Jensen:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">No, as I've learned to expect, this is a complete spin of what I wrote: Not remotely to do with what I wrote. <br>No further comments, as list admin has a proven record of letting you insult, manipulate and spin, but censoring me. So be it.<br> <br>Max<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:18 PM, asbn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asbn@baubiologie.at" target="_blank">asbn@baubiologie.at</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">You're right Max, and I like this variability.<div>Imagine a world, where everyone would do the same.</div> <div><br></div><div>And I understand, that some networks spread their informations just in their language.</div><div>I spent every working day (every day!) in my life 1-2 hours just to answer questions about straw bale building in Austria (for free!).</div> <div>This is the reason why we never thought about translating our website into english.</div><div><br></div><div>But there is a lot of cooperation and there are a lot of international, European projects,</div><div>where we work on an international level (in english), together with networks from</div> <div>nearly all European countries to improve the way we are building now.</div><div><br></div><div>Just that you are no part of that cooperations doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.</div><div><br></div><div>And let me say, most of us do that work for free or sometimes get our travels paid (EU Leonardo partnerships)</div> <div>because we like straw bale building, like to spread the ways/philosophy of community building and ecology</div><div>and the things we get back are (normally) not money but love, friendship and recognition. Whats wrong about that?</div> <div>This is the best motivation to do good things in the world:-)</div><div><div class="im"><br><div> <span style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Verdana;word-spacing:0px"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div><div>all the best</div><div>Herbert</div><div>-----------------</div><div>asbn - austrian strawbale network</div><div>3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6</div><div>Tel. 02958-83640</div><div><a href="mailto:asbn@baubiologie.at" target="_blank">asbn@baubiologie.at</a></div> <div><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at" target="_blank">www.baubiologie.at</a></div></div><div><br></div></div></span><br> </div><br></div><div><div>Am 28.03.2013 um 14:51 schrieb Max Vittrup Jensen:</div><div><div class="h5"> <br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">To Herberts list of motivations by socalled 'national networks':<br><br>-Some only promotes their language region within a country of several languages.<br>-Some exists to promote the persons managing it<br> -Some are not aware that they got appointed at ESBG09 to be the national contact, and has never done any kind of dissamination of information<br>-Some earlier well functioning networks have simply disintegrated. As I recall Lars Keller declared at ESBG07: The SB 'revolution' appears to have been so successful in DK that a network is no longer necessary: It is a commonly accepted approach of building.<br> <br><div>Cheers,</div><div>Max</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:28 PM, asbn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asbn@baubiologie.at" target="_blank">asbn@baubiologie.at</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Sometimes it seems this is a little bit of a contest, who has more straw bale houses.<div> <br><div>We document sb-houses only</div><div>* if the families want it to be published</div><div>* which means sometimes a lot of visitors and questions</div><div>* for purposes of learning how to solve the details</div> <div><br></div><div>There are more than one lists in Europe...</div><div><br></div><div>And there are different national networks with different ambitions.</div><div>* some just offer workshops</div><div>* some document straw bale buildings in their area</div> <div>* some document straw bale bildings nationwide</div><div><br></div><div>In fact, documenting is hard work, for the future I am more</div><div>(and I think the visitors on our website are also) interested</div><div>in better solutions and new ways of construction </div> <div>than to document the hundredsecond hobbithouse built with bales</div><div><br><div> <span style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Verdana;word-spacing:0px"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div><div>all the best</div><div>Herbert</div><div><div>-----------------</div><div>asbn - austrian strawbale network</div><div>3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6</div><div>Tel. 02958-83640</div><div><a href="mailto:asbn@baubiologie.at" target="_blank">asbn@baubiologie.at</a></div> <div><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at" target="_blank">www.baubiologie.at</a></div></div></div><div><br></div></div></span><br> </div><br><div><div>Am 28.03.2013 um 14:12 schrieb Marcel Burgstaller:</div><div><div> <br> <blockquote type="cite"><div>Is this the only list existing for such purposes? I fear every country has its own solution so we have to create the USBB (United StrawBale Builders) :-)) <br><br>Best<br>Marcel<br><br><br> <br> <blockquote type="cite">In looking at the International Strawbale Registry this morning<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/search.straw" target="_blank">http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/search.straw</a><br> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I see only 6 entries for Spain and 1 for Austria.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Clearly, if Europeans want to be more accurately represented, some updating is in order.<br> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:19:46 -0400, valentina maini <<a href="mailto:vmaini@mac.com" target="_blank">vmaini@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Here in Spain we are still counting and organizing the data base...at the moment we have knwoledge of 71 buildings of more than 25m2<br> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">El 28/03/2013, a las 12:09, asbn escribió:<br></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We are still counting, but we have 106 sb-houses documented in our database.<br> </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Probably the right number will be about 120 in Austria.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Am 28.03.2013 um 11:20 schrieb Dittmar Hecken:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I repeat my question:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> How many completed straw bale buildings do you have in your country?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> In this case a building should have more than 25 m².<br> </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">=== * ===<br> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Rob Tom<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span 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