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[Strawbale] Re: SB arches



Chris,

You will not get me phased. I like the challenges you put up every now and again. I was at the German second annual SB conference and many people there had been following the discussion about the LB SB 4 story castle very inspiring to all.


At 07:36 AM 10/24/03, you wrote:
Has anyone got experience of building arches in a SB wall? What technique
works best? Can SB arches be made genuinely load-bearing or do they need to
be re-inforced in some way?

Most arches I have seen have not been load bearing but needed another structure to carry the load. The reason is simple. Bare bales have a too low modulas of elasticity (is not stiff enough) too work effectively as an arch in the way you intend them too. Once plastered the situation changes because the plaster has quite a bit higher modulas of elasticity then the bales. I have seen examples of post created arches based on this principle. One of the people I have spoken to said he had always struggled to make arches they were a pain in the neck (he is an accomplished SB builder) Till one day he decided to do away with the form board approach he was used to using. He built a full wall without an arch then after it was finished and plastered. He cut out the arch. Added some mesh and plastered it. ( the plaster was cement plaster hence the mesh but the mesh is very important here beause it will be taking the load due to its very high modulas of Elasticity. Very simple to do and no problems at all. The samples I saw were quite big but did not and would not take a serious load. I suggest you go for the same approach with the addition of a supporting steel structure pushed into the void after you have cut it. You will have to support the wall whilst doing the cutting and latter pushing. I suppose the jack lift structure is still there when you do this. If you take this approach make sure the netting is tightly attached to the steel supporting arches or the whole SB structure will slowly do the splits over the arches. It is also prudent to use netting along at least the foot of the rest of the walls again to prevent undue spreading. You could see this as cheating but is you approach it in the following frame of mind you could see it as SB walls running over a flat foundation with a few oddly shaped arches in it.

What type of SB arch is strongest and or easiest
to build. Roman arches seem simpler. Norman arches built of masonry are
structurally stronger and lighter than Roman Arches. Is the same true for
SB? How is a Norman arch achieved? How do you calculate the correct radius
for the curves in Norman arches and where do you position the centres?

We are planning four largish(2m/7ft wide) arched windows or openings in our
proposed four storey tower house castle. The floor structure of the floor
above will spread the weight of the upper storeys, but the section that
contains the arches will need to do its share of the load-bearing. Would it
be prudent to have a squared floor to floor timber frame and add arched SB
infill simply for aesthetics? Or can a SB arch be relied upon to take the
load and distribute it into the neighbouring wall in the same way a masonry
arch would? The arches could be deeper than the standard wall if necessary.
This would add strength and make for an interesting internal feature, but
we'd rather not if we don't have to. Likewise, we'd rather not have any more
timber-framing than we have to. We are trying to take the load-bearing
concept as far as we can.

Chris
Isle of Arran
Scotland

P.S.
I can already hear you sceptics out there sucking in your breath and saying
"He's gotta be joking! Not only is he crazy enough to build a four storey SB
building, but he's going to put damn great holes in it!". Well you guys have
got a shock in store.


Rene Dalmeijer