[Strawbale] Timber frame designed for strawbale in UK?
Peter van Balen
peter at tentotwo.net
Fri Jan 31 13:39:26 CET 2014
Hi Sam,
Re: tyre foundations
With Barbara Jones (strawworks) you've got the expert
Re: loadbearing timber
You'll be fine with douglas, which I assume (but don't know for sure
as I don't live in the UK) shouldn't be difficult to buy and don't
need to be specifically 'designed for straw bales'.
Don't go with naturalhome - they'll want to sell you a pre-fab
structure (with OSB on the inside...) - a company that jumped on the
straw bale bandwagon here in France without a real added value (and a
poor perception of the real advantages of building with straw bales).
I can see why you're hesistant about loadbearing or minimalist framing
(which would imply 'filling in' with bales as you build along - see
for instance Tom Rijven's minimalist approach: http://www.habitatvegetal.com/
), similar to my own preference to get the roof on first (see: https://picasaweb.google.com/101112994520905931740/
), but with a 6x8 structure I'd probably be less anxious as it's
quicker to build than our 16x8 + garage/workshop structure.
Make sure you protect your walls against driving rain
Good luck!
Peter
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> Hi all
>
> I'm at the early stages of planning a low budget strawbale house
> build.
>
> Current thinking for approx 6x8m structure is;
>
> * Tyre foundations http://strawworks.co.uk/technical/
>
> * Purchase of loadbearing douglas fir internal timber frame to
> externally clad with bales.
>
> * Puchase of commercial pine 'attic roof' trusses with good overhang
> http://www.trustspan.co.uk/attictrusses.asp
>
> * Strawbale walls with door & window detail from;
> http://strawworks.co.uk/technical/
>
> Questions;
>
> * Are there any UK timber frame suppliers who design for strawbale?
> I'm aware of this French company;
> http://www.naturel-home.fr/kit_autoconstruire_maison_paille/ but i'm a
> bit unconvinced by the thermal bridging in their timber frame design.
>
> * Is 'dipping' bales in lime wash a good idea to seal? As suggested
> here
> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3681
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:43:47 +0000
> From: sam at bristolwireless.net
> To: Duncan Macbeth <duncanmacbeth at gmail.com>,
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> Hi Duncan
>
> Thanks for the reply. In terms of frame, I'm hoping to get the roof on
> before the walls to avoid working the bales in the rain.
>
> I realise there are some advantages to load bearing walls,
> particularly in terms of compression of bales.
>
> I'm not entirely sure what a 'hybrid minimal internal wall structure'
> is! It sounds good if it will support a roof without walls in place.
>
> Do you have a link to the kind of thing you mean?
>
> Best
>
> Sam
>
>
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>
>
> Quoting Duncan Macbeth <duncanmacbeth at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello Sam,
>>
>> Do you mind if I ask why you are not considering a load bearing or,
>> if
>> intent on a frame, a hybrid minimal internal wall structure if its
>> a low
>> budget solution you are after ?
>>
>> Duncan ( former Amazonails builder / trainer )
>>
>>
>> On 30 January 2014 11:33, <sam at bristolwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I'm at the early stages of planning a low budget strawbale house
>>> build.
>>>
>>> Current thinking for approx 6x8m structure is;
>>>
>>> * Tyre foundations http://strawworks.co.uk/technical/
>>>
>>> * Purchase of loadbearing douglas fir internal timber frame to
>>> externally
>>> clad with bales.
>>>
>>> * Puchase of commercial pine 'attic roof' trusses with good overhang
>>> http://www.trustspan.co.uk/attictrusses.asp
>>>
>>> * Strawbale walls with door & window detail from; http://strawworks.co.uk/
>>> technical/
>>>
>>> Questions;
>>>
>>> * Are there any UK timber frame suppliers who design for
>>> strawbale? I'm
>>> aware of this French company; http://www.naturel-home.fr/
>>> kit_autoconstruire_maison_paille/ but i'm a bit unconvinced by the
>>> thermal bridging in their timber frame design.
>>>
>>> * Is 'dipping' bales in lime wash a good idea to seal? As
>>> suggested here
>>> http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?
>>> DiscussionID=3681
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> To: "strawbale at amper.ped.muni.cz" <strawbale at amper.ped.muni.cz>
> Subject: [Strawbale] Straw Bale Building & Lime Plastering Course in
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> Learn how to build with straw in a beautiful location near Blotnia,
> about 30 minutes from Gdansk in Northern Poland. The project is to
> build a single story, loadbearing, two bedroom cottage on the small
> holding. ?Both courses will be run by Straw Works. The straw course
> will be taught by Kuba Wihan from 16-20th June 2014.?Barbara Jones
> is running the lime plastering course from 9-13 July 2013.
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> Please see?http://strawworks.co.uk/courses-in-poland/ or email straw works at gmail.com
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