[Strawbale] certification of straw bales
paul
paul at naturalbuilding.fi
Tue Mar 5 06:50:57 CET 2013
Hello. Firstly to answer the questions.
We have basically the same as Norway. We just have to show that the building fits into the regulation codes here and everything is good.
But what are certified bales and who in the right mind began certifying them in the first place? More over how can you certify a bale? I'm not trying to be rude but isn't that opening up a huge black hole for the authorities to throw strawbale building into? It gives them a lot more power over what we do.
Here in Finland we just have to go to each individual Kommun inspector and show them that this works. Some are open minded and are all for new ways and its smooth but, some are old and closed minded and don't want to accept it. When we show them that Sb houses fit into the standards they can't say no. They can make it difficult for us but in the end they can't say no. If they get wind of CERTIFIED bales they could have a field day. I think this is the wrong road to travel down. It could even turn willing farmers off wanting to bale as it will be easier to just make bales for animals. Plus it will probably increase the cost of the bales.
Am I wrong in thinking these things?
Interesting to hear your answers.
Thanks
Best regards,
Paul Lynch / Manager
The Natural Building Company Oy
L&G Pajupuhdistamo Oy
Dalgatan 10, 10300 Karis
+358 44 2509663
paul at naturalbuilding.fi
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On 5 mar 2013, at 00:24, valentina maini <vmaini at mac.com> wrote:
> Dear Herbert and all,
>
> In Spain Laws integrate inside the code the need for innovation so within the code is said that you can use either the "normal traditional code for established solutions" or any innovative not yet "traditional" material and solution that you want even if you don't have CE certificate .....if you can proof that your solution is performing the requirement to basic safety and thermal properties (and you can prove it by Testing with EN code and protocols or On site Test)
>
> So the answer is
> 1) Yes under the reference of EN Test and technical responsibility/control
> 2) Yes in theory but in practice is complex to test and the process is made difficult by insurance companies (that are not following the good part of the law...only the lazy traditional part)
> 3) Same as 1 is possible with official plan...not without
>
> Hope is clear even if short
>
> cheers, Valentina
>
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> El 04/03/2013, a las 23:03, Brian Waite escribió:
>
>> Hooray for Norway, regulations are written around the known thereby debarring anything new - makes progress difficult!!
>> Brian
>> www.strawbalehouse.co.uk
>>
>> On 04/03/2013 20:41, asbn wrote:
>>> Great, what a paradise:-)
>>> I always thought, Europe tends to have a unique building-law...
>>>
>>> Med vennlig hilsen
>>> Herbert
>>> -----------------
>>> asbn - austrian strawbale network
>>> 3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6
>>> Tel. 02958-83640
>>> asbn at baubiologie.at
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>>>
>>> Am 04.03.2013 um 21:23 schrieb Piet Jensen:
>>>
>>>> Herbert, in Norway there are no special rules for SB. If you follow the tec-standards and you take the responsibility for the result, you can allmost build whatever you want. All the best Piet
>>>>
>>>> From: Sebastien Hubert
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:32 PM
>>>> To: strawbale at amper.ped.muni.cz
>>>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] certification of straw bales
>>>>
>>>> Hello Herbert,
>>>>
>>>> Here is an answer for belgium :
>>>>
>>>> 1. We are allowed to build one family houses with normal uncertified straw bales. Altough in the future it will be more difficult because the insulating standards are getting better and better.
>>>>
>>>> 2. I don't know the status for public buildings...
>>>>
>>>> 3. It is also possible to insulate existing buildings with uncertified bales. The insulating standards for existing houses are lower than those for new houses.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this can help you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Sebastien Hubert
>>>> Belgium
>>>>
>>>> On 04/03/13 20:11, asbn wrote:
>>>>> Dear Balers in Europe
>>>>>
>>>>> As we have troubles with building officials (esp. in Lower Austria), who want only certified building-balles in buildings,
>>>>> even when you insulate a roof or ceiling to a roof in an existing building (without any funding or banque-credits),
>>>>> I would like to know, what the actual situation is in your country:
>>>>>
>>>>> So I have only 3 short questions (your answer would help me very much):
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Is it allowed to build one-family-houses with normal uncertified straw bales in your country?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Is it allowed to build official buildings (e.g. museums, schools,...) with non-certified bales?
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Is it allowed to insulate an existing building (without an official plan) with non-certified bales in your country?
>>>>>
>>>>> all the best / thank you for answers:-)
>>>>> Herbert Gruber
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> asbn - austrian strawbale network
>>>>> 3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6
>>>>> Tel. 02958-83640
>>>>> asbn at baubiologie.at
>>>>> www.baubiologie.at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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