[Strawbale] Post and Beam

asbn asbn at baubiologie...
Mon Sep 13 18:14:04 CEST 2010 

An architect (in Austria) normally makes the design, floor-plans,
(ecological and building-physical) material-decisions and finds the
craftsmen doing the job well at a defined price.
Normally the software used is archicad or autocad (simpler).

A carpentry makes the wood-detailing, setting of the beams, walls, roof and
all this stuff ­ so I think, that is what you are interested in.
There is no such big difference in making a post & beam-construction filled
with sheepwool, cellulose or strawbale (even with fibreglass).
The best software for doing this is Dietrich's (3D too).

The difference between a carpenter/architect, who is able to build
strawbale-houses lies in his knowledge about ecological building-materials
and there you may are right. In some countries its hard to find a carpenter
which is used to build with ecological materials, with clayplaster or
clayboards, who knows about the importance of Sd-values, air- and
windproofness and so on.

But if you look for carpenters, who still built passive- or at least low
energy houses and you see that they work with ecological materials and not
with EPS, you're on the right way.

A few days ago I got a call by slowenian carpenter Vladimir Glavica, who
worked a lot in Austria and wants to built strawbale-houses in SLO.
Here is the contact:
OPTIMA GLAVICA d.o.o, e-mail: info at optima-hisa..., http: www.optima-hisa.si

Maybe you can contact him...

Mit lieben Grüßen
Herbert Gruber
-- 
asbn - austrian strawbale network
Österreichisches Netzwerk für Strohballenbau
3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6
Email: asbn at baubiologie...
http://www.baubiologie.at


> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for your reply, Paul and Herbert.
> It seems very logical to find an architect with experience as you wrote, but
> in Slovenia it is hard.
> So I would like to ask if there are any architects out there that would be
> interested to work together.
> I don't see another option in this way than to work with 2 architects. (or
> correct me if wrong)
> 
> And again does anyone knows about some software as there exists for post and
> beam building, suitable for strawbale, maybe this could help a local
> architect.
> 
> As interested amateur I could buy some more books, study more about it, but at
> the end it has to be an architect that has to make a plan etc.. not me.
> 
> My planning is to start building next spring so time is too short for me to
> work it all out myself.
> 
> Any suggestions welcome,
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Michel.
> 
> 
> On 13 sep 2010, at 16:57, paul paul wrote:
> 
>> Just to help with responses, as I understand it from reading the posts the
>> inquieries are about "post and beam"  SB building, not just non-load bearing
>> structures.  In which case the options are much more limited to either
>> putting the bales inside the p&b structure, on the outside, or inbetween the
>> posts.  There is also the portal frame system which is very well adapted for
>> strawbale construction but is not post and beam.
>>  
>> There are some very good books out now that describe the different post and
>> beam methods of SB building, check Amazon etc.
>> 
>>  I would avoid if possible using an architect that is unfamiliar with this
>> process unless they are very open and willing to do a lot of reasearch BEFORE
>> building your house, and willing to work in collaberation with you or others
>> for advice/research. Not all architects are that minded., prefering to take
>> the reigns and do it how they feel it should be done regardless.
>> 
>> good luck, let us know how you get on. I will try and post some titles of
>> good books to get you started, or maybe others on this list can do likewise.
>> 
>> Paul Sheraton
>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:31:41 +0200
>>> From: asbn at baubiologie...
>>> To: strawbale at amper....muni.cz
>>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Post and Beam
>>> 
>>> Dear Jure, Michel and all other non-loadberaing builders
>>> 
>>> In my workshops I have listed 7 (8) different non-loadbearing-systems, which
>>> are used in Austria and  as far as I know  in Europe:
>>> 
>>> 1) exterior strawbale-wall with direct plaster on the outside, construction
>>> inside
>>> typical example:
>>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=280
>>> 
>>> 2) system S-house, which is nearly 1) but with big bales on the outside and
>>> a ventilated wooden facade, fixed with special screws
>>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=282
>>> 
>>> 3) interior strawbale-wall (normally directly plastered on the inside) with
>>> an outside construction (wood or plaster on plaster-boards)
>>> 
>>> 4) system GREB (France), as can be seen detailed on french websites
>>> 
>>> 5) CST-system (Cellule Sous Tensions) by Tom Rijven, as is described in his
>>> book (Between Earth and Straw) and on his website
>>> 
>>> 6) StrohTec-system, which we established in 1999 and was built in Austria
>>> and Germany more than 100times the last ten years in variations, a classical
>>> infill-system, strawbales between posts, covered with structural boards or
>>> diagonal wood on both sides of the posts/beams
>>> typical example:
>>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=120
>>> or
>>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=268
>>> 
>>> 7) a new modular system called system|haus|bau, which we developed last year
>>> as you can see on:
>>> http://www.systemhausbau.at
>>> or
>>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=309
>>> 
>>> 8) The Modcell-system in UK is another modular system, which uses cellulose
>>> or strawbale as an infill-insulation-material, but there are not many
>>> details available...
>>> 
>>> Mit lieben Grüßen
>>> Herbert Gruber
>>> -- 
>>> asbn - austrian strawbale network
>>> Österreichisches Netzwerk für Strohballenbau
>>> 3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6
>>> Email: asbn at baubiologie...
>>> http://www.baubiologie.at
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> The question of Jure about post and beam is worth posting again.
>>>> As a builder in the near future I am also looking for answers.
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I know there are basically 2 post and beam methods for building
>>>> with
>>>> bales within the non-load bearing method.
>>>> Or as infill, like an adapted Segal method, or as they do like S-house in
>>>> Austria; enclosing the timber structure with boards and stag the bales
>>>> around
>>>> the house in a running bond.
>>>> I would not like to have a board inside the house to plaster. It does not
>>>> function like a strawbale for indoor climate, is more costly etc...
>>>> 
>>>> Most of us are interested in strawbale building but we are not architects,
>>>> contractors etc... just people who want to build this way and look for the
>>>> right people to assist, advise.
>>>> 
>>>> Here in Slovenia such buildings are almost not existing and if, they are
>>>> done
>>>> without much experience.
>>>> 
>>>> How could we have more information, that we could pass on to an architect
>>>> without strawbale experience?
>>>> 
>>>> Are there plans available that can be adapted?
>>>> 
>>>> Is there maybe "post and beam software" available for strawbale building
>>>> that
>>>> could be used by a local architect?
>>>> 
>>>> Or we could maybe use an architect from abroad, just to make the basic
>>>> plans
>>>> and have the other plans (construction plans for electrician, plumber
>>>> etc..)
>>>> done by a local one.
>>>> 
>>>> In any case, here in Slovenia we need more then one architect to build a
>>>> house. The other we must use to do the engineering plans to get approval.
>>>> 
>>>> If there are professionals, architects, or people out there with experience
>>>> that could advise, please do, we would be very grateful.
>>>> 
>>>> With greetings from Slovenia,
>>>> 
>>>> Michel.
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