[OL-Forum] Digest Number 960

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There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: IES publication
           From: chuck norton <chucknei@yahoo...>
      2. IES publication
           From: "Barry Clark" <bajc@alphalink....au>


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:54:41 -0800 (PST)
   From: chuck norton <chucknei@yahoo...>
Subject: Re: IES publication

So would I, I can't seem to get though to them to take a course they advertise, but they don't follow up on!

Susan Harder <lookout@hamptons...> wrote:I'd be interested in hearing of any observations from dark sky advocates, about the contents of the new IESNA
booklet on Security Lighting.

Susan



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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:43:28 +1100
   From: "Barry Clark" <bajc@alphalink....au>
Subject: IES publication

Susan, 

The booklet is mentioned in notes about a forthcoming IESNA course on security lighting.  I get the impression from the notes that it is 'business as usual' in terms of continuing to promote the belief that lighting prevents crime.

Over two months ago, I sent my two-part report on outdoor lighting and crime to IESNA, pointing out that there appeared to be no reliable scientific evidence to support a beneficial effect of lighting in reducing actual crime, and that there was much reliable evidence indicating the opposite.  A senior person in IESNA replied that my document would be peer reviewed. So far I have heard nothing more.

I am aware that peer reviews do not happen overnight, but similar situations have already been played out many times. Soon after the second part of my report was published on the Web in May 2003, I started sending out copies of the whole report to key individuals and organisations.  (The count so far is about seventy.)  Something less than half of the addressees have acknowledged receipt, often with an implication that 'we'll get back to you soon, when (not 'if') we uncover the errors in it'.

In the six months since May, not even one message has reached me about any errors of fact or analysis in my report.  My hypothesis, that increased outdoor lighting increases actual crime, remains unchallenged as far as I am aware.  Moreover, the widespread drop in crime during the August 2003 power outage and blackout in northeast America provided support on a massive scale for my findings. 

When a professional body is given the opportunity to examine substantial evidence that one of its practices produces outcomes that are hazardous rather than beneficial, it could be argued that it has a duty of care in the meantime to suspend promotion of the practice in courses and publications, or at least to draw attention to the existence and nature of contrary evidence.   Anyone who gets a chance to evaluate the content of the new booklet might keep this in mind. 

My own view about 'security lighting' is that the term is an oxymoron in the context of many of its present meanings. 

Barry Clark 


Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:15:47 -0500
   From: Susan Harder <lookout@hamptons...>
Subject: IES publication

I'd be interested in hearing of any observations from dark sky advocates, about the contents of the new IESNA booklet on Security Lighting.

Susan



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