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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I am sorry, I tried to reply to Mr. Jure Pozar
himself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I can offer you a little better translation, but I
think you managed to provide some 85% exact meaning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Personally, I am in straw-bale building for
several years (since 2006.). But, as a construction engineer (gradjevinac
= construction engineer), I prefer to see all mistakes first on the
scetches and blue-prints, before any work on site.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Mr. Jure Pozar tried to collect here a lot of
information about building with straw-bale, but according to scetch he posted,
also to my personal opinion, he didn't understood the esential if he decided to
use straw-bales in this particular manner as shown on the scetch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I have seen a lot of enthusiasts which start with
good will and sincere efforts, but ends with lost terms and money, and this
story is not about straw-bale builders only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Whenever something new comes out, a lot of people
remember only the benefits of it, but they often pay less attention for
sustainability of their own investment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I saw the Guardian article from November 2nd and I
appreciated it very much. But they have a serious team of engineers, especially
for the public building they are building with straw-bale usage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Mr Jure Pozar lives in the country where the wood
as constructiion material is not commonly used, so there are only few people -
structural engineers involved in wood construction. Add the novelty of
straw-bales to that, and, this is again my personal opinion, I think he
will be in problems over his head in a matter of several weeks after start.
There aren't much help from the Croatian government for this kind of projects,
so beside seriousness of his project, he must calculate all additional risks.
That is what I am saying.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>He allready said that Slovenians who have some
(particular) experience, are not willing to help thie way he
expect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So, to Mr. Jure Pozar and the others:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I expect to start construction of our factory of
4.400 sqm near Belgrade next year. Idea was born at the end of 2006. During
2007. we finished fire testing and papirology. During 2008. we managed to round
the financial backup for the project itself. The project costed something over
80.000 euros, and during 2009. we paid all fees and licences, so we can choose
the starting term. During this year we are finishing investment construction (it
is 6,5 mil of Euros investment) and planing to start next year.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>So, the message is: <U>MAKE YOUR PROJECTS 'WORK ON
THE PAPER' (or in computer), BEFORE STARTING IT.</U> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>It is very important do divide beatifulness of
building with straw-bales and sustainable funding for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Best regards to all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Bane M. Prvanovic</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>GPB Solutions d.o.o.<BR>Celopecka 8<BR>11000
Beograd</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><FONT
face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> </FONT><A title=Max@PermaLot...
href="mailto:Max@PermaLot..."><FONT face=Tahoma>Max Vittrup
Jensen</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Tahoma><B>To:</B> </FONT><A
title=strawbale@amper....muni.cz
href="mailto:strawbale@amper....muni.cz"><FONT
face=Tahoma>strawbale@amper....muni.cz</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Tahoma><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
November 25, 2010 7:17 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Tahoma><B>Subject:</B> [Strawbale]
CRTEZ ZIDA - MOJE MISLJENJE JE DA NISTE DOBRO RAZUMELI KONCEPT GRADNJE SLAMOM
(Bane M. Prvanovic)</FONT></DIV>
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class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif"><SPAN title=""><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>With all due respect of national languages, then I expect
there's others than me who were interested in this answer, and likely not
all of you are aware of </FONT><A href="http://translate.google.com"><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>translate.google.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>?<BR></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2>This came out, as usual it's somewhat
garbles, but it provides an insight. What I find most stricking is the
statement of " <SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
title=""> </SPAN><SPAN title="">Straw bales should not be viewed as a
substitute for insulation, but as construction blocks from which to build
major walls usually within a structure (reinforced concrete, steel or
wood)"</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Easiest disclaimer: Look at
Arch. Werner Schmidts 3 story hotel in alpine conditions; Build without any
other structure: Strong -insulating- construction blocks!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Max</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=Apple-style-span
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title=""><BR></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN title="">Whoever
drew the cross section of the wall, is wrong. </SPAN><SPAN
title="">This is not a good way and this way you will surely burst mortar
view .. </SPAN><SPAN title="">Straw bales should not be viewed as a
substitute for insulation, but as construction blocks from which to build
major walls usually within a structure (reinforced concrete, steel or
wood). </SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN title=""><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>This drawing looks like me, extra insulation on the assembly
house.<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
title="">Installations are offered within the walls of constructed of straw
bales - the bales were dug canals sander that has a disk as a power saw or
chainsaw, cables and pipes to be put down in these channels so that all
izmalterise.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN title="">I do not know what kind of finish
you want to achieve, but if you work outside and inside clay render - OSB or
other panels are absolutely unnecessary. </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN title="">After very little practice in
flattening mentioned brick-clad wall of bales of straw will get a proper
surface for causing clay mortar.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN title="">As for the
settlements, the construction of the facility should provide rigidity, not a
wall of straw. </SPAN><SPAN title="">When the bales inside the brick
wall of the structure, there is no fear of shooting from the
settlement. </SPAN><SPAN title="">Bale is located within the frame of
some kind, well-wedged, line up and
plastered. </SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN title=""><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>On particular points of the set of reinforcements rabic (galvanized
woven network) in order to avoid cracking plaster (no matter what he
types.<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
title="">Tightness straw bales are regulated during baling and it's good to
contract directly with the stubble fields, and then with someone who will
particularly hit the balirati tension out there (which is a ball of string
tied).<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN title="">I do not know if you read my previous
posts, but I can find very useful source of information. </SPAN><SPAN
title="">Next year we begin to build our factory of 4,400 m2, of which all
the walls will be the straw bales. </SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN
title=""><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>We are the only company in Serbia, which
is certified by a wall of straw bales on fire resistance of 120 minutes (as
per our rules should not be longer).<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
title=""><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Study the professional (as gradevinac)
building with straw for years and I can say that I was quite far advanced in
it.<BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN title="">The
desire to help, not to impose, we send our deepest regards and made
available to every question.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN title="">M.
Bane </SPAN><SPAN
title="">Prvanovic</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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