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Hi Michel, if you would like to send me your email address I can send you some info<br><br>psheraton@hotmail...<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: michelvanmulders@siol...<br>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:36:16 +0200<br>To: strawbale@amper....muni.cz<br>Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Post and Beam<br><br>
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<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft SafeHTML">Hello,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your reply, Paul and Herbert.</div><div>It seems very logical to find an architect with experience as you wrote, but in Slovenia it is hard.</div><div>So I would like to ask if there are any architects out there that would be interested to work together.</div><div>I don't see another option in this way than to work with 2 architects. (or correct me if wrong)</div><div><br></div><div>And again does anyone knows about some software as there exists for post and beam building, suitable for strawbale, maybe this could help a local architect.</div><div><br></div><div>As interested amateur I could buy some more books, study more about it, but at the end it has to be an architect that has to make a plan etc.. not me.</div><div><br></div><div>My planning is to start building next spring so time is too short for me to work it all out myself.</div><div><br></div><div>Any suggestions welcome, </div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 13 sep 2010, at 16:57, paul paul wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Just to help with responses, as I understand it from reading the posts the inquieries are about "post and beam" SB building, not just non-load bearing structures. In which case the options are much more limited to either putting the bales inside the p&b structure, on the outside, or inbetween the posts. There is also the portal frame system which is very well adapted for strawbale construction but is not post and beam.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>There are some very good books out now that describe the different post and beam methods of SB building, check Amazon etc.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br> I would avoid if possible using an architect that is unfamiliar with this process unless they are very open and willing to do a lot of reasearch BEFORE building your house, and willing to work in collaberation with you or others for advice/research. Not all architects are that minded., prefering to take the reigns and do it how they feel it should be done regardless.<br><br>good luck, let us know how you get on. I will try and post some titles of good books to get you started, or maybe others on this list can do likewise.<br><br>Paul Sheraton<br><br>> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:31:41 +0200<br>> From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:asbn@baubiologie...">asbn@baubiologie...</a><br>> To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:strawbale@amper....muni.cz">strawbale@amper....muni.cz</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Post and Beam<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Dear Jure, Michel and all other non-loadberaing builders<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> In my workshops I have listed 7 (8) different non-loadbearing-systems, which<br>> are used in Austria and<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span> as far as I know<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span> in Europe:<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 1) exterior strawbale-wall with direct plaster on the outside, construction<br>> inside<br>> typical example:<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=280" target="_blank">http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=280</a><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 2) system S-house, which is nearly 1) but with big bales on the outside and<br>> a ventilated wooden facade, fixed with special screws<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=282" target="_blank">http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=282</a><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 3) interior strawbale-wall (normally directly plastered on the inside) with<br>> an outside construction (wood or plaster on plaster-boards)<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 4) system GREB (France), as can be seen detailed on french websites<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 5) CST-system (Cellule Sous Tensions) by Tom Rijven, as is described in his<br>> book (Between Earth and Straw) and on his website<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 6) StrohTec-system, which we established in 1999 and was built in Austria<br>> and Germany more than 100times the last ten years in variations, a classical<br>> infill-system, strawbales between posts, covered with structural boards or<br>> diagonal wood on both sides of the posts/beams<br>> typical example:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=120" target="_blank">http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=120</a><br>> or<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=268" target="_blank">http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=268</a><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 7) a new modular system called system|haus|bau, which we developed last year<br>> as you can see on:<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.systemhausbau.at" target="_blank">http://www.systemhausbau.at</a><br>> or<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=309" target="_blank">http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=309</a><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 8) The Modcell-system in UK is another modular system, which uses cellulose<br>> or strawbale as an infill-insulation-material, but there are not many<br>> details available...<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Mit lieben Grüßen<br>> Herbert Gruber<br>> --<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> asbn - austrian strawbale network<br>> Österreichisches Netzwerk für Strohballenbau<br>> 3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6<br>> Email:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:asbn@baubiologie...">asbn@baubiologie...</a><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.baubiologie.at" target="_blank">http://www.baubiologie.at</a><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Hello Everyone,<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > The question of Jure about post and beam is worth posting again.<br>> > As a builder in the near future I am also looking for answers.<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > As far as I know there are basically 2 post and beam methods for building with<br>> > bales within the non-load bearing method.<br>> > Or as infill, like an adapted Segal method, or as they do like S-house in<br>> > Austria; enclosing the timber structure with boards and stag the bales around<br>> > the house in a running bond.<br>> > I would not like to have a board inside the house to plaster. It does not<br>> > function like a strawbale for indoor climate, is more costly etc...<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Most of us are interested in strawbale building but we are not architects,<br>> > contractors etc... just people who want to build this way and look for the<br>> > right people to assist, advise.<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Here in Slovenia such buildings are almost not existing and if, they are done<br>> > without much experience.<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > How could we have more information, that we could pass on to an architect<br>> > without strawbale experience?<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Are there plans available that can be adapted?<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Is there maybe "post and beam software" available for strawbale building that<br>> > could be used by a local architect?<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Or we could maybe use an architect from abroad, just to make the basic plans<br>> > and have the other plans (construction plans for electrician, plumber etc..)<br>> > done by a local one.<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > In any case, here in Slovenia we need more then one architect to build a<br>> > house. The other we must use to do the engineering plans to get approval.<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > If there are professionals, architects, or people out there with experience<br>> > that could advise, please do, we would be very grateful.<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > With greetings from Slovenia,<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Michel.<br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > European strawbale building discussion list<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Send all messages to:<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Strawbale@amper....muni.cz">Strawbale@amper....muni.cz</a><br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > Archives, subscription options, etc:<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale" target="_blank">http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale</a><br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> European strawbale building discussion list<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Send all messages to:<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Strawbale@amper....muni.cz">Strawbale@amper....muni.cz</a><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Archives, subscription options, etc:<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale" target="_blank">http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale</a><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>____________________________________________________<br> European strawbale building discussion list<br><br>Send all messages to:<br><a href="mailto:Strawbale@amper....muni.cz">Strawbale@amper....muni.cz</a><br><br>Archives, subscription options, etc:<br><a href="http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale" target="_blank">http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale</a><br>____________________________________________________<br><br><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br>
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