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Just to help with responses, as I understand it from reading the posts the inquieries are about "post and beam" SB building, not just non-load bearing structures. In which case the options are much more limited to either putting the bales inside the p&b structure, on the outside, or inbetween the posts. There is also the portal frame system which is very well adapted for strawbale construction but is not post and beam. <br> <br>There are some very good books out now that describe the different post and beam methods of SB building, check Amazon etc. <br><br> I would avoid if possible using an architect that is unfamiliar with this process unless they are very open and willing to do a lot of reasearch BEFORE building your house, and willing to work in collaberation with you or others for advice/research. Not all architects are that minded., prefering to take the reigns and do it how they feel it should be done regardless.<br><br>good luck, let us know how you get on. I will try and post some titles of good books to get you started, or maybe others on this list can do likewise.<br><br>Paul Sheraton<br><br>> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:31:41 +0200<br>> From: asbn@baubiologie...<br>> To: strawbale@amper....muni.cz<br>> Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Post and Beam<br>> <br>> Dear Jure, Michel and all other non-loadberaing builders<br>> <br>> In my workshops I have listed 7 (8) different non-loadbearing-systems, which<br>> are used in Austria and as far as I know in Europe:<br>> <br>> 1) exterior strawbale-wall with direct plaster on the outside, construction<br>> inside<br>> typical example:<br>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=280<br>> <br>> 2) system S-house, which is nearly 1) but with big bales on the outside and<br>> a ventilated wooden facade, fixed with special screws<br>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=282<br>> <br>> 3) interior strawbale-wall (normally directly plastered on the inside) with<br>> an outside construction (wood or plaster on plaster-boards)<br>> <br>> 4) system GREB (France), as can be seen detailed on french websites<br>> <br>> 5) CST-system (Cellule Sous Tensions) by Tom Rijven, as is described in his<br>> book (Between Earth and Straw) and on his website<br>> <br>> 6) StrohTec-system, which we established in 1999 and was built in Austria<br>> and Germany more than 100times the last ten years in variations, a classical<br>> infill-system, strawbales between posts, covered with structural boards or<br>> diagonal wood on both sides of the posts/beams<br>> typical example: <br>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=120<br>> or<br>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=268<br>> <br>> 7) a new modular system called system|haus|bau, which we developed last year<br>> as you can see on:<br>> http://www.systemhausbau.at<br>> or<br>> http://www.baubiologie.at/europe/austria/austria.html?id=309<br>> <br>> 8) The Modcell-system in UK is another modular system, which uses cellulose<br>> or strawbale as an infill-insulation-material, but there are not many<br>> details available...<br>> <br>> Mit lieben Grüßen<br>> Herbert Gruber<br>> -- <br>> asbn - austrian strawbale network<br>> Österreichisches Netzwerk für Strohballenbau<br>> 3720 Ravelsbach, Baierdorf 6<br>> Email: asbn@baubiologie...<br>> http://www.baubiologie.at<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > Hello Everyone,<br>> > <br>> > The question of Jure about post and beam is worth posting again.<br>> > As a builder in the near future I am also looking for answers.<br>> > <br>> > As far as I know there are basically 2 post and beam methods for building with<br>> > bales within the non-load bearing method.<br>> > Or as infill, like an adapted Segal method, or as they do like S-house in<br>> > Austria; enclosing the timber structure with boards and stag the bales around<br>> > the house in a running bond.<br>> > I would not like to have a board inside the house to plaster. It does not<br>> > function like a strawbale for indoor climate, is more costly etc...<br>> > <br>> > Most of us are interested in strawbale building but we are not architects,<br>> > contractors etc... just people who want to build this way and look for the<br>> > right people to assist, advise.<br>> > <br>> > Here in Slovenia such buildings are almost not existing and if, they are done<br>> > without much experience.<br>> > <br>> > How could we have more information, that we could pass on to an architect<br>> > without strawbale experience?<br>> > <br>> > Are there plans available that can be adapted?<br>> > <br>> > Is there maybe "post and beam software" available for strawbale building that<br>> > could be used by a local architect?<br>> > <br>> > Or we could maybe use an architect from abroad, just to make the basic plans<br>> > and have the other plans (construction plans for electrician, plumber etc..)<br>> > done by a local one.<br>> > <br>> > In any case, here in Slovenia we need more then one architect to build a<br>> > house. The other we must use to do the engineering plans to get approval.<br>> > <br>> > If there are professionals, architects, or people out there with experience<br>> > that could advise, please do, we would be very grateful.<br>> > <br>> > With greetings from Slovenia,<br>> > <br>> > Michel.<br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > European strawbale building discussion list<br>> > <br>> > Send all messages to:<br>> > Strawbale@amper....muni.cz<br>> > <br>> > Archives, subscription options, etc:<br>> > http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale<br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> European strawbale building discussion list<br>> <br>> Send all messages to:<br>> Strawbale@amper....muni.cz<br>> <br>> Archives, subscription options, etc:<br>> http://amper.ped.muni.cz/mailman/listinfo/strawbale<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> <br>> <br> </body>
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