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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Regarding “the
purpose of the map”:<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The map’s purpose is to reach people who would otherwise
never find the world of natural building (including straw bale building). The
map can be found on many websites around the World from <a
href="http://www.savikodu.pri.ee/map.html">builders</a> to <a
href="http://www.smallhousestyle.com/2009/02/16/small-natural-homes-google-mashup/">life-style
websites</a> to <a href="http://wag.myzen.co.uk/thepolytechnic/?p=159">Universities</a>
and <a
href="http://mamaziemia.blogspot.com/2008/04/mapa-slomianych-domow.html">private
blogs</a>. The map currently gets about 1,500 visitors per day and is fast
approaching at total of 1 million visits. Even if only 0.1% of them decide
to build naturally that’s 1,000 more natural homes. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<pre style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Regarding “about 1/100th of reality”:<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></pre>
<ul style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I add buildings to the map as I find them on the web.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>People write to me to ask for their home to be added, as Max did
recently for <a
href="http://naturalhomes.org/ecohousemap.htm?strawbale@all@49...706318,16.919519,9">his
home</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Organisations contact me to add entire collections like <a
href="http://naturalhomes.org/ecohousemap.htm?all@rabbit">dancing rabbit</a>
did (here displayed <a
href="http://naturalhomes.org/thelist.htm?all@rabbit">as a list</a> with
their banner leading to their website). <a
href="http://naturalhomes.org/ecohousemap.htm?strawbale@all@49...337651,16.443787,9"><font
color=black><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:
none'><o:p></o:p></span></font></a></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Regarding “privacy
of the homeowner”</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> (and how to accommodate secret
locations):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I've considered adding regions to the map that, once clicked, would
open a page of non-located SB buildings, but it detracts from the clean,
easy to understand nature of the map and doesn’t give a feel for the
number of SB buildings registered.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I’ve also considered adding a set of ‘not-here’
icons (e.g. a straw bale icon with a red circle) but this will require a
major re-write of the map since the display is controlled by an icon parameter
e.g. <a href="http://naturalhomes.org/themap.htm?strawbale">http://naturalhomes.org/themap.htm?strawbale</a>
to display the home type straw bale.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>For the moment I have solved the non-accurate location problem with
the text <b><font color=black><span style='color:black;font-weight:bold'>"NOTE:
Location of building is close, but WRONG",</span></font></b> which is
only seen if a user opens the icon bubble. I think this is a good enough
solution without cluttering the map with different icons and having to
explain the difference between them. Here is an example of a ‘not-here’
entry to the map <a
href="http://naturalhomes.org/ecohousemap.htm?strawbale@all@49...337651,16.443787,9">http://naturalhomes.org/ecohousemap.htm?strawbale@all@49...337651,16.443787,9</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Regarding “This
could leave the Czech map quite empty”</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>:<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<ul style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Needless to say I don’t speech Czech so I rely on the
valuable contributions from people like Max.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I hope the text, <b><font color=black><span style='color:black;
font-weight:bold'>"NOTE: Location of building is close, but WRONG"</span></font></b><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>,</span></font> will mitigate people’s
reluctance to add to the map.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>As far as possible, I only add good examples of houses so that visitors
to the map see them as a mainstream housing option. If a county is poorly
represented then it can be legitimate to include other homes that at least
attempt to use natural materials like this one in the <a
href="http://naturalhomes.org/ecohousemap.htm?strawbale@all@49...93266,14.712582,11">Czech
Republic</a>. I would prefer to remove this type once there are sufficient
better examples to represent a country.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I hope this clarifies everything. You are all welcome
to contribute to the map. If you have a lot of buildings to add then I have an
application you can use to add them yourself.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Oliver<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>house@naturalhomes.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, </span></b></span></font><st1:date
Month="3" Day="5" Year="2009"><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>5/3/09</span></font></b></st1:date><b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>, Max Vittrup Jensen <i><span style='font-style:italic'><max@permalot...></span></i></span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From: Max Vittrup Jensen
<max@permalot...><br>
Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Olivers' Fun with Maps<br>
To: strawbale@amper....muni.cz<br>
Date: </span></font><st1:date Month="3" Day="5" Year="2009"><font size=2
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thursday,
5 March, 2009</span></font></st1:date><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, </span></font><st1:time
Hour="11" Minute="36"><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>11:36 AM</span></font></st1:time><font
size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Dear all,<br>
<br>
I feel like adding to this discussion, that the past days Oliver and <span
class=GramE>I <br>
have</span> had a fair bit of email exchanges about the tech/admin issues of <br>
the map he has created.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:
12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I'm very grateful of his initiative, however it can still use <span
class=GramE>some <br>
tweaking</span>, none the least in deciding what and<font color=red><span
style='color:red'> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>purpose of the map</span></b></span></font>. <span
class=GramE>A <br>
serious</span> issue is the matter of location. I supplied a brief description <br>
and village/town location of each SB house in Czech Republic, however <br>
his system was set up to pinpoint the precise location, and he prefer <br>
between 80-100 words and direct contact.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Our aim is to have our center as demonstration home, and as such <span
class=GramE>we <br>
don't</span> mind the location issue, however such issue is the exact reason <br>
for some people not to join the map: If you look at </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Denmark</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> there's <br>
currently only 4-5 SB homes on the map, which represents <b><font color=red><span
style='color:red;font-weight:bold'>about 1/100th <br>
of reality.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Another issue is that it makes the map rely on home-owner agreement, <span
class=GramE>and <br>
not</span> as Herbert suggested: Someone (like me or Herbert) takes the <br>
initiative and adds it on for our country. I find that my action <span
class=GramE>does <br>
not</span> intrude too much on the <b><font color=red><span style='color:red;
font-weight:bold'>privacy of the homeowner</span></font></b>, as the location is <br>
put centrally at the town square, which may be 5 km from the house. <span
class=GramE>The <br>
point</span> to me is that it shows SB buildings exists in this country.<br>
<br>
In addition I tried to highlight what I find a troublesome issue here <span
class=GramE>in <br>
Czech</span>: I attempted to outline the approach of using the Sb for each <br>
house, as fact is that majority of the Sb houses here (about 15), have <br>
had a facination for SB, but a fear of dealing with the building <br>
permits, and as such has made (in my opinion) poor use of the SB: <br>
Typically approach has been to make 2 non-burnable conventional walls <br>
and SB between them. In better cases the homes only have a <span class=GramE>wooden <br>
framework</span> with reeds and plaster; rarely simply a limited layer of earth <br>
plaster on SB's (One case has up to 25 cm of earth plaster! Makes <span
class=GramE>you <br>
wonder</span> why an adobe wall (16cm) wasn't constructed instead!).<br>
<br>
Oliver just wrote this: "If you are critical of the houses and they <br>
don't represent good SB examples that people can learn from, then I'd <br>
rather not have them on the map." ...Hmm: <b><font color=red><span
style='color:red;font-weight:bold'>This could leave the Czech map <br>
quite empty</span></font></b>(!), and I'll be the first to criticize elements of our own <br>
house as well...who'll be the judge? <span class=GramE>An architect or a natural builder?</span> <br>
(Classically there's a mile between them; I'm aware that is not the<br>
case for many of you architects reading this list!).<br>
<br>
In other words: Olivers map initiative is great! Please supply input <span
class=GramE>for <br>
how</span> to utilize it, so he can be guided by consensus...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The suggestion of different color pins could sort out the issue of <br>
location/owner submission.<br>
<br>
Peace and Love,<br>
Max</span></font><font face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
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