[Strawbale] results of sb houses across europe pls
Henk Van Aelst
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Sun Sep 5 23:12:03 CEST 2010
Thanks Seb,
What do you place on the agepan.
Is there no risk of using a wood,- wool/fibre panel at the outside without a
vapour barier at the inside?
Henk
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Van: strawbale-bounces at amper....muni.cz
[mailto:strawbale-bounces at amper....muni.cz] Namens Sebastien Hubert
Verzonden: zondag 5 september 2010 21:49
Aan: European strawbale building discussions
Onderwerp: Re: [Strawbale] results of sb houses across europe pls
Hello,
I did respond to this message before but it seems there was a problem...
We are using more or less this method except that we don't use OSB at
the inside but earth.
From the outside to the inside :
Agepan/double SLS structure-straw/earth
You can find some pictures on the Grappaille website (Grappaile is the
promoting strawbale association for the Walloon region) :
http://www.grappaille.be/forumgrappaille/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=23&start=90
There are also some pictures on my blog : http://blog.paille.be
Those websites are only in french sorry ;-)
Seb
http://www.paille.be
Henk Van Aelst wrote:
> Neale,
>
> I think google can translate.
>
> A local Carpenter can make your wooden structure.
> Use an undoubled skelet: for example:
> Two SLS / FJI / 2 planches / laminated wood / open joist... It can be pre
> fabricated but doesn't need to be. A lot of my do it yourself clients work
> with planches or sls.
>
> Henk
>
>
> ECOLOGISCH ARCHITECTENBUREAU HENK VAN AELST BVBA
>
> Henk Van Aelst
> TF 0032 / 15 22 51 43
> henk at henkvanaelst...
> Hertstraat 52
> Gsm 0032 473 66 17 92
> www.henkvanaelst.be
> 2590 Berlaar
> BTW BE 480.118.920
> www.ecoforum.be
>
>
>
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> Van: strawbale-bounces at amper....muni.cz
> [mailto:strawbale-bounces at amper....muni.cz] Namens Neale Brickwood
> Verzonden: maandag 12 juli 2010 14:51
> Aan: European strawbale building discussions
> Onderwerp: Re: [Strawbale] results of sb houses across europe pls
>
> Thanks Henk, thats very interesting and exactly the system i was
> thinking of. Do you know if there is an english translation website
> with some technical detail re ASBG?
>
> It would destroy my embodied energy if i had to import the panels to
> the UK but i suppose if the timber is coming from Austria anyway that
> would help
>
> Regards
>
> Neale
>
> neale.brickwood at googlemail...
> 07798854867
>
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>
> Ikon Land and New Homes Limited
> The coach House
> 2 hereford Road
> Southsea
> Portsmouth
> PO5 2DH
>
> On 12 Jul 2010, at 09:01, Henk Van Aelst wrote:
>
>
>> Neale
>>
>> Use a vernished OSB with vapour tape at the inside and a celit 4D or
>> 3D or a
>> Agepan DWD at the outside. If you like a little fire protection than
>> use the
>> French Dip liming methode before you place the bales and finish the
>> OSB with
>> Fermacell.
>> Look on www.ecoforum.be on techniques by strawbales to the ASBG
>> Austrian way
>> of building.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Henk
>>
>>
>> ECOLOGISCH ARCHITECTENBUREAU HENK VAN AELST BVBA
>>
>> Henk Van Aelst
>> TF 0032 / 15 22 51 43
>> henk at henkvanaelst...
>> Hertstraat 52
>> Gsm 0032 473 66 17 92
>> www.henkvanaelst.be
>> 2590 Berlaar
>> BTW BE 480.118.920
>> www.ecoforum.be
>>
>>
>>
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>> Van: strawbale-bounces at amper....muni.cz
>> [mailto:strawbale-bounces at amper....muni.cz] Namens Neale Brickwood
>> Verzonden: maandag 12 juli 2010 10:17
>> Aan: European strawbale building discussions
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Strawbale] results of sb houses across europe pls
>>
>> Thanks dave. Obviously more research to do!!
>>
>> Neale
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 11 Jul 2010, at 22:13, Dave Howorth <dave at howorth....uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 22:35 +0000, Neale Brickwood wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm thinking of a dry build using a timber frame to provide the
>>>> structure and dry enclosure with the straw being inserted from the
>>>> inside (in the dry) timber cladding outside, plasterboard inside. I
>>>> know it dosnt stack up with the purist principles but will provide
>>>> substantial Co2 savings by omitting brick, block and insulation and
>>>> obviously sand and cement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I presume i'd need a breathable vapour barrier between the timber
>>>> structure and the cladding which would allow the straw to breathe.
>>>> Do
>>>> you know if any one has done any U value calcs for this type of
>>>> build
>>>> or do you forsee any problems?
>>>>
>>> Neale,
>>>
>>> The term "breathable vapour barrier" is an oxymoron. Breathable means
>>> "vapour permeable". You probably mean a watertight, airtight barrier.
>>>
>>> Straw bales are traditionally coated with lime or clay plaster for
>>> two
>>> main reasons:
>>> -1- it provides fire resistance
>>> -2- it provides an airtight barrier that helps the straw function
>>> effectively as insulation
>>>
>>> Gaps between between bales and separate fireproof layers are known to
>>> act as chimneys in fires and these can increase the spread of flame.
>>>
>>> Having said all that, you might want to look at the S-House design.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Dave
>>>
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