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Re: [Nelpag] RE: (ATMoB:Announce) Dark Sky



Aha!!!
You have expanded my light pollution education!
Thanks, Cliff.
We need to get more IESNA members involved in local politics.
 
You are correct, it was Musco Lighting. It has been nearly a year since town meeting was presented with the proposal and my memory was never very good. 
They certainly sold us a bill of goods, and it will reflect in the towns' electric bill.
They told the Recreation Department that they were installing full cutoff lighting.
  
My concerns go far beyond astronomy. It is glare elimination or reduction, and light trespass that I believe are most important, especially for seniors. It is as dangerous to a driver as having a cellphone glued to the ear while driving in hazardous conditions. ( this is one of my definitions of stupid ) Of course, my stargazing will also benefit.
 
We certainly need SofT Lighting Systems to get an advertising campaign going in the Northeast. Before long, there will be competing systems. I would think it would be a lot easier for players to see a fly ball at night. Some of Musco's luminaires at Marvin Field are directed at an angle of 45 degrees toward the private homes. Regardless of intensity, it would be necessary to put up a wall or a dense line of staggered trees to minimize the trespass.
 
I purchased the Los Angeles Video on LP from IDA but was disappointed with its' slant. It was not as convincing as the presentations at the Boston meeting. 
 
Clear,Dark Skies,
Paul V.
   
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Nelpag] RE: (ATMoB:Announce) Dark Sky

In a message dated 7/1/2003 8:28:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, volz@attbi... writes:

Lightolier does inside lighting so I find it difficult to believe that they
would care about this bill. Perhaps they are part of a larger company, and
another division does outdoor lighting and they are sticking up for them.
However, their other companies listed on their web site are all primarily
for indoor lighting.


Sorry to hear about the Mass efforts getting trumped again.  Lightolier is a subsidiary of Genlyte Thomas Group, LLC, who also owns Emco, Gardco, Hadco, Lumec, Lumec-Schreder, McPhilben, Stonco, Thomas Outdoor, Wide-Lite, and Zed, which are all prominent outdoor commercial luminaire manufacturers. 

Some of these companies offer very nicely shielded full cutoff lighting products with good photometric performance and others are real retina burners.  It is curious why a manufacturer of high quality indoor lighting products that offer excellent shielding would be concerned about an outdoor lighting bill.  I have used Lightolier products on many interior lighting projects over the years for commercial chains like Casual Corner, Boston Market, Gymboree and other popular mall invaders.

Re: Paul V's comments on *Musto* -- unless he was referring to Tom Musto Productions (a theater and cinemaphotography lighting firm) it was not correct on two counts... First, I believe it is Musco Lighting he meant, not Musto, and second, spun aluminum reflector sports flood lighting like that offered by Musco, GE, Hubbell, Northstar and others cannot achieve full cutoff optics (FCO) classification with regard to intensity limits occurring in specific vertical angular zones. 

Full cutoff is a lot more than just no light emission above the horizontal plane through the lowest light emitting part of the luminaire as it is installed.  FCO's primary benefit is that it reduces candela emissions (intensity) in the glare zone between 80 degrees up to less than 90 degrees vertical angle through all lateral angles around the luminaire.  Those emissions are restricted to no more than 10% of the total lamp lumens (i.e., 100 cd per 1000 lamp lumens) for each viewing angle within that vertical photometric zone.  Additionally zero candela emissions are allowed at and above the horizontal plane calculated from the photometric center of the luminaire.  It is a very common error many dark sky advocates who are not lighting professionals make.

Otherwise, what has mistakenly perpetuated ad infinitum as being called *full cutoff* lighting is actually *fully shielded* lighting, which only limits light at and above the horizontal.  That does nothing for light trespass or glare control, but it does have a positive effect to restrict skyglow.  This technical blooper of misinformation when it creeps into proposed legislation is responsible for many of the lighting manufacturers (NEMA especially) introducing doubts in legislators' minds about whether our efforts have any merit.  Our cause would greatly benefit by continuing further education of the participants because it allows us to communicate more effectively on both sides.

For Musco lighting to control light trespass and uplighting as well as improving the visibility for players on the field relatively well it needs to be mounted very high and aimed downward rather than outward.  The TLC system must also be employed.  Their Level 8 shielding is ineffective and since it is highly specular it does not work to either mitigate glare, skyglow, nor light trespass problems well at all, especially when the luminaires are mounted lower than 50 feet high.

http://www.musco.com/permanent/tlc.html

For the past several years I have been encouraging Del Armstrong to establish a distributor here in New England because his SofT Lighting Systems is the only large field sports lighting that meets true full cutoff optics classification.  We have been seeking a firm in Mass that specializes in sports lighting without much luck.  If you know of any please let me know off-list.  It is superb lighting and uses a mix of HPS and pulse start Metal Halide with 1000 watt lamps to reduce maintenance while also providing excellent color rendition without needing to put 250 horizontal footcandles and 175 vertical footcandles on the field.

http://www.softlite.com/

Clear skies and good seeing,
Keep looking up!

Cliff Haas
Author Light Pollution Awareness Website (LiPAW)
http://members.aol.com/ctstarwchr
http://www.crlaction.org

Member: IESNA, CRL, IDA, NELPAG, CTIDA


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