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There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Lights Block Stars, Pollute Skies - ABQ Journal letter
           From: "David Penasa" <dpenasa@unm...>
      2. Fwd: 4th European Dark-Sky Symposium in Paris
           From: ctstarwchr@aol...
      3. Re: Lights Block Stars, Pollute Skies - ABQ Journal letter
           From: "ctstarwchr" <ctstarwchr@aol...>
      4. Re: Re: Lights Block Stars, Pollute Skies - ABQ Journal letter
           From: Yvan Dutil <yvan.dutil@sympatico...>


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Message: 1         
   Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:50:28 -0600
   From: "David Penasa" <dpenasa@unm...>
Subject: Lights Block Stars, Pollute Skies - ABQ Journal letter

Sunday, September 5, 2004
Lights Block Stars, Pollute Skies  By Dr. Vikram Alladi
Alladi lives in Las Vegas, N.M., and is promoting a dark-sky protection
ordinance for that city.


http://abqjournal.com/north/opinion/218561northoped09-05-04.htm




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Message: 2         
   Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:33:51 EDT
   From: ctstarwchr@aol...
Subject: Fwd: 4th European Dark-Sky Symposium in Paris

Presented for the courtesy of our colleagues in Europe...

----------- Forwarded Message ------------

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:24:48 -0000
From: "Emmanuel Brochard" <brochard@club-internet...>

Dear friends,

Please find below the nearly final list of communications, abstracts 
and schedule for oral presentations at the 4th Dark-Sky European 
Symposium. (Paris, September 24-25, 2004)

http://www.astrosurf.com/anpcn/association/ag/2004/index.en.php

It is still possible to subscribe.

Sincerely,

Association Nationale pour la Protection du Ciel Nocturne (A.N.P.C.N)
http://www.astrosurf.com/anpcn/               --anpcn@astrosurf...--
A.N.P.C.N             c/o S.A.F, 3 rue Beethoven, 75016 Paris, France
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Le trésorier : Emmanuel Brochard        --brochard@club-internet...--
11 rue Tournefort, 75005 Paris, France                 01 45 87 88 98


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Message: 3         
   Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:09:00 -0000
   From: "ctstarwchr" <ctstarwchr@aol...>
Subject: Re: Lights Block Stars, Pollute Skies - ABQ Journal letter

Thanks David.  Overall this was a very good article 
and I wish this fellow the best of luck with his 
efforts because he is perhaps in one of the world's 
most challenging environments.  

The example of the 1994 earthquake in Los Angeles was 
excellent because people who had never seen the night 
sky were frightened by their first sight of the Milky Way.  
The public believed the cloud mysteriously cutting the sky 
in half was a product of the recent earthquake.  There was 
an account of this published by the Lonely Planet several 
years ago during a discussion about the newly established 
Torrance Barrens Dark Sky Preserve in Canada.

One thing mentioned in the article that concerns me is 
when people striving for obtrusive lighting reform advocate 
good fixtures by claiming that full shielding sends all of 
the fixture's light downward rather than outward.  That is 
very misleading and cannot be any farther from the truth!

We need to think more carefully about the implications this 
misinformation imposes on our quest because fully shielded 
lighting and ALL of the IES cutoff classes send light outward 
at angles up to 89 vertical degrees, which means OUTWARD.  

This is technically in a downward direction if we examine 
its geometry, however, downward to most reasonably intelligent 
people usually means straight down below the fixture.  This 
gives the wrong impression that more lighting equipment will 
be needed to provide even illumination required for safety 
and reasonably good security demanded by current standards.

The best performing fixtures, regardless of their cutoff type, 
send their beam of maximum candlepower outward at vertical 
angles between 66 and 72 degrees.  Any fixture exhibiting 
that level of performance is technically classified as having 
a medium vertical distribution.  This is the sole component of 
luminaire performance that allows the greatest pole spacing 
distance needed to reduce energy waste while also optimizing 
the lighting uniformity.  It is predominantly the uniformity 
of the light distribution opposed to the density of the light 
(footcandles or lux levels) on ground surfaces that helps us 
to see better in a darkened outdoor environment.

Since we have no complementary surfaces like walls or ceilings 
with light colored surfaces to bounce available light off of 
like we have with indoor environments, it is the vertical 
angle of distribution for the beam of maximum candlepower 
that governs the limits of performance in most outdoor lighting 
designs.  If a fixture is meant for lighting a roadway or a 
path do not consider a short vertical distribution or suffer 
the consequences with hot spots and poor uniformity along with 
needing a forest of poles that raise the costs and the light 
levels sometimes to astronomical proportions.

Anyone who does not understand that should take a walk outdoors 
on a clear night during a full moon not in the presence of manmade 
light to see just how far and with how much detail objects around 
you will appear.  Although the illuminance level will very likely 
be around 0.01 footcandles (1/100) its uniformity is 1:1, which 
allows the eye to adapt successfully to that low level of 
brightness.  Yes, there have been some disputes in the past 
regarding that light level the IES has published for illuminance 
cast by an average full moon, but after two years of measuring 
it on clear nights I have never once seen a reading higher than 
0.01 footcandles at 105 feet above sea level at 41 degrees 
latitude.  

I recently spotted the Advanced Lighting Guidelines published 
that the full moon delivered ground illuminance between 0.1 and 
1 footcandle (1 to 10 lux), which is a significant error imposing 
several magnitudes of exaggeration.  It appears on page 20 of the 
PDF and I hope this will be corrected in the next iteration.

Clear skies and good seeing,
Keep looking up!

Cliff Haas
http://members.aol.com/ctcadman
http://www.crlaction.org



--- In DarkSky-list@yahoogroups..., "David Penasa" <dpenasa@u.....> 
wrote:

> Alladi lives in Las Vegas, N.M., and is promoting a dark-sky 
> protection ordinance for that city.
> 
> http://abqjournal.com/north/opinion/218561northoped09-05-04.htm




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Message: 4         
   Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:49:26 -0400
   From: Yvan Dutil <yvan.dutil@sympatico...>
Subject: Re: Re: Lights Block Stars, Pollute Skies - ABQ Journal letter

>

I had teh same problem recently in a discussion with an architect. She
was swering than the full moon was a few tens of lux, and a streelight a
few hundred. To its defense I must say she was first an lighting
interior architecte. This explain the bias. However, she change her mind
when I send her dozens of reference claiming that the Full moon is
between 0.1 and 0.2 Lux

Yvan Dutil


> I recently spotted the Advanced Lighting Guidelines published
> that the full moon delivered ground illuminance between 0.1 and
> 1 footcandle (1 to 10 lux), which is a significant error imposing
> several magnitudes of exaggeration.  It appears on page 20 of the
> PDF and I hope this will be corrected in the next iteration.
>
> Clear skies and good seeing,
> Keep looking up!
>
> Cliff Haas
> http://members.aol.com/ctcadman
> http://www.crlaction.org
>
> --



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