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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Need Help!  What kind of lights do I choose?
           From: Steve Davis <w2sgd@juno...>
      2. NYC light towers
           From: "gd253" <GDudley@Swin...Edu.Au>
      3. Re: Certificates for Good Lighting..how about for Bad Lighting too!
           From: ctstarwchr@aol...
      4. Re: [Fwd: [RASCALS] Glare and Coroner's Inquest]
           From: ctstarwchr@aol...
      5. UPDATE: Getting Started with an Outdoor Lighting Ordinance
           From: "David Penasa" <dpenasa@bplw...>
      6. Re: Need Help!  What kind of lights do I choose?
           From: Barry Johnson <johnsonb@ivwnet...>
      7. Lights, birds, and FLAP
           From: Steve Pauley <spauley@cox-internet...>
      8. Re: Certificates for Good Lighting..how about for Bad Lightingtoo!
           From: "P. Edward Murray" <edward12@erols...>
      9. Pillars of Light Redux
           From: saros61@aol...
     10. OKAY, OKAY: BIRDS FLY AT NIGHT , Re: towers of light
           From: "Karolyn Beebe" <keedo@merr...>
     11. Re: Anyone else care to field this one?
           From: Paul Greenhalgh <fvas@shaw...>
     12. what a mess
           From: Susan Harder <lookout@hamptons...>
     13. I Wish
           From: "Kevin Wigell" <kwemail@twcny....com>
     14. Fwd: New International IDA Sections
           From: ctstarwchr@aol...
     15. Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill
           From: saros61@aol...
     16. Letter to NY TImes
           From: saros61@aol...
     17. Citizens Bypassing Elected Leaders?
           From: saros61@aol...
     18. Re: Welcome to IDA Mississippi Section
           From: ctstarwchr@aol...
     19. Fw: Fw: SL-List OKAY, OKAY: BIRDS FLY AT NIGHT
           From: Gary Citro <callisto@optonline...>
     20. Re: Anyone else care to field this one?
           From: "Bill & Michelle Bahus" <thebahuses@skylog...>
     21. Re: Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill
           From: "Bill & Michelle Bahus" <thebahuses@skylog...>
     22. Another Television Program on the wire.
           From: Paul Greenhalgh <fvas@shaw...>
     23. Re: Anyone else care to field this one?
           From: "Mike J. Shade" <mshade@theriver...>
     24. RE: Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill
           From: Arnold Kenneth J PSNS <arnoldk@psns....mil>
     25. Re: Another Television Program on the wire.
           From: Yvan Dutil <yvan.dutil@sympatico...>


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:33:30 -0500
   From: Steve Davis <w2sgd@juno...>
Subject: Re: Need Help!  What kind of lights do I choose?

What are the lights being used for?
Are they even necessary?
There is a FCO version of the Salem. -sd


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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:37:06 -0000
   From: "gd253" <GDudley@Swin...Edu.Au>
Subject: NYC light towers

There is a photo on the front page of today's Melbourne "Age".

See: 
http://www.theage.fairfax.com.au/frontpage/2002/03/13/frontpage.jpg

GD




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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:41:43 EST
   From: ctstarwchr@aol...
Subject: Re: Certificates for Good Lighting..how about for Bad Lighting too!

In a message dated 3/12/02 10:27:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
scattol@videotron... writes:

> Here there is an interesting paradox. Light, as a measure of artistic 
> expression, is often used in cinema and theater. There, the light is always 
> well controlled and properly directed and rightfully applauded. Why do 
> people understand and appreciate fully shielded lighting in theater but 
> don't in their daily 
> 

Patrice,

This is possibly due to over a hundred and twenty years of desensitizing.  We 
are all intelligent enough to put shades on our lights at home, but the 
modern theater is not so bright these days.  Have you ever watched that 
anybody want to be a millionaire show or the weakest link lately?  Go to a 
rock or country music concert and get blasted in the face with oscillating 
luminaires.  Those two shows blast glare all over the place with high 
intensity beams simply to dazzle and babble the audience.  Every time this 
happens it puts a message deep into the subconscious mind telling us that 
glare and shining light into people's faces is just fine as long as it is 
labeled as artistic lighting.

You made a number of very good points, all of which I agree, but at some 
point we have to draw the line as far as *artistic expression* is concerned.  
When that expression affects hundreds, maybe thousands, of others who never 
asked for it nor do they wish to see it, this becomes a problem where the 
freedom of speech turns into an abuse and an obtrusive expression.  At least 
with a radio or TV you can turn it off but not with these Heaven blasters.  
This is the essence of the Towers of Light and it is nothing more than the 
reincarnation of Albert Spear, Hitler's favorite architect who loved to 
destroy the sky with light to move people's emotions to be impressed by the 
Third Reich.  It affects everyone within a 20 mile radius of ground zero and 
that is mighty obtrusive regardless of the package or the reason.  It is 
wrong!

http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,33042,00.html

New York shot down ghastly beams of light screaming into the night sky for 
the Millennium celebration a couple of years ago because of that very similar 
tie to the 1936 Nazi Cathedral of Light assembled in Nuremberg, but because 
this one was *packaged* as a memorial tribute and for some reason nobody at 
the switch drew that connection.  It is unfortunate because we WILL see many 
other projects like this happening all over the world you can bet on it.

Clear skies,

Cliff Haas
http://members.aol.com/ctstarwchr


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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:53:48 EST
   From: ctstarwchr@aol...
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [RASCALS] Glare and Coroner's Inquest]

In a message dated 3/12/02 4:27:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lighting@ieee... writes:


> The Lighting Research Office held a symposium on Glare in October of 1991

The Western New England Section of the IES also held a meeting on Glare last 
year that was very interesting.  Naomi Miller was the keynote speaker.  She 
gave me a funny look when asking for her autograph on my program schedule.  
;-)  The food was good and the company was excellent.  A full house that 
night.

Cheers,

Cliff


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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:18:04 -0700
   From: "David Penasa" <dpenasa@bplw...>
Subject: UPDATE: Getting Started with an Outdoor Lighting Ordinance

UPDATED 3-12-02

Getting Started with an Outdoor Lighting Ordinance

First:

Create a Task Force, with the goal of preparing a report, and either a
recommended standalone outdoor lighting ordinance or recommended
amendments to your city's existing administrative/zoning code.  (It is
essential to determine "how" to best implement your desired outdoor
lighting regulations.  Note that it may be easier to get approval of an
amended existing code rather than a new ordinance.)

Example - here's what Albuquerque, NM did:
A Night Sky Protection Task Force was appointed by the Mayor of
Albuquerque (see the following CITY COUNCIL BILL NO. R-73 "Establishing
the Night Sky Protection Task Force; Requiring a Report"
http://www.cabq.gov/council/textfile/220.htm ).  The Task Force was to
submit a report to the Mayor and Council containing findings and
recommendations.  (It was submitted on March 1, 2001, and will be
reviewed by the city Environmental Planning Commission; the Land Use,
Planning & Zoning committee of the city council; and, finally the full
city council.  All hearings will be open to the public for comment.  The
recommendations are presently under review by the EPC.  The City of
Albuquerque's web site has links describing the existence and activities
of the Night Sky Protection Task Force, and includes the report and
recommended amendments. See
http://www.cabq.gov/planning/pages/neighborhood/newsletter/nightsky.html
)

The Albuquerque Task Force consisted of nine members, including two
members of City Zoning (one now retired, but still fully participating),
one member from City Building Safety, one member from City Electrical
Inspection/Plan Check, one member from the City Council's staff, one
member from the Mayor's office, one member from industry (a sign company
employee), and two members from the community-at-large (an independent
photojournalist and myself, a lighting/electrical engineer).

Important Note:  Having a technical lighting person and an enforcement
person on the Task Force is critical to creating good, technically
correct, and enforceable language!  (Read the last statement again!)
Also, it would be nice to have a city council staff representative
member too, to assure that the administration is kept well informed on
the Task Force's status and act as liaison.


Then, do the following:

1) Review the International Dark-Sky Association's (IDA) website:
http://www.darksky.org/
and, their information sheets:
http://www.darksky.org/ida/ida_2/info15a.html

The IDA's vision is to preserve and protect the nighttime environment
and our heritage of dark skies through quality outdoor lighting.  Their
goal is to educate everyone about the value of a pleasant nighttime
environment of dark skies, and of quality outdoor lighting, with all of
its advantages.


2) Review the IDA's new draft Model Lighting Ordinance (MLO):
http://www.darksky.org/ida/ordsregs/modliord.html
The first publicly available draft of this document will be discussed at
the IDA's Annual Meeting, March 17-19, 2002 in Tucson.


3) Review The IDA Outdoor Lighting Code Handbook:
http://www.nofs.navy.mil/about_NOFS/staff/cbl/LC_Handbook_v11.html
This Handbook is a discussion of many issues related to outdoor lighting
codes, plus information on their implementation and enforcement is
offered. A U.S. Pattern Lighting Code is included, intended as a
starting point for communities of all sizes, primarily throughout the
U.S. but also in other areas, as they begin the process of drafting a
lighting code suitable for their community. Appendices include sample
administrative forms that can be used to administer a lighting code.


4) Review The Outdoor Lighting Manual for Vermont Municipalities
http://www.darksky.org/ida/ida_2/info135.html
This publication details the need and gives very good suggestions in
layman's terms explaining why and how to construct a comprehensive
outdoor lighting ordinance. (Note that the lighting levels recommended
have been superseded by IESNA documents RP-33-99 and RP-8-00. See Item 6
below.)


5) Review as many existing lighting ordinances as possible.

First, check your City's existing administrative code (check in the
zoning code area, among other locations) to see what outdoor lighting
and sign regulations may already exist!

A large number of links to various ordinances can be found at the Light
Pollution Awareness Website:
http://members.aol.com/ctstarwchr/
and the LiteLynx website:
http://members.aol.com/ctstarwchr/LiteLynx.htm#results

Examples range from those for both large and small cities, with and
without grandfathering, e.g.:
http://www.skykeepers.org/ketcdrlo.html
(This was passed in Ketchum, ID, pop 4500, June, 1999, and is an
excellent LP ordinance for small towns. No grandfathering is permitted.)


6) Obtain and review as many of the following lighting industry
publications as possible:

IESNA RP-33-99 Lighting for Exterior Environments (*a must have doc*)
$45

IESNA RP-20-98 Lighting for Parking Facilities (*a must have doc*) $45

IESNA RP-8-00 Roadway Lighting (*a must have doc*) $30

IESNA TM-10-00 Addressing Obtrusive Light (Urban Sky Glow and Light
Trespass) in Conjunction with Roadway Lighting (*a must have doc*)
$10(?)

IESNA RP-6-88 Sports Lighting (to be updated late 2001/early 2002) $40

IESNA CP-46 A Statement on Astronomical Light Pollution and Light
Trespass (1985) (*a must have doc*) $?

IESNA TM-11-00 Light Trespass: Research, Results and Recommendations $20

IESNA DG-9-97 Lighting for Automated Teller Machines $30

IESNA LM-5-96 Photometric Measurements of Area and Sports Lighting $20

IESNA LM-50-99 Photometric Measurements of Roadway Lighting
Installations $18

IESNA LM-64-91 Photometric Measurements of Parking Areas $15

IESNA DG-13-99 Selection of Photocontrols for Outdoor Lighting
Application $28

IESNA LM-52-98 Photometric Measurements of Roadway Sign Installations
$20

IESNA LM-69-95 Interpretation of Roadway Luminaire Photometric Reports
$18

To obtain the above documents, contact the IESNA (Illuminating
Engineering Society of North America) at http://www.iesna.org or (212)
248-5000. Ask for the publications department.

Above prices are for non-members.

Note that RPs are Recommended Practices, TMs are Technical Memorandums,
LMs are Lighting Measurement Guides, and DGs are Design Guides.

The Illuminating Engineering Society of North America (IESNA) is the
recognized authority on the art and science of illumination.


This is also a useful document:

FAA Advisory Circular AC 70-7460-1K Obstruction Marking
and Lighting (available on-line at http://www.faa.gov/ats/ata/ai/ )


7) Find out who your State and City streetlighting engineers are and
meet with them to determine what lighting design standards they follow,
luminaire types and wattages used by them, their feelings about light
pollution and glare, if they are already using full cutoff luminaires
(even if not required by a local ordinance), what franchise agreements
(between city and local power company) may exist, etc.


8) Conduct a tour of your city to look at and get consensus on what are
examples of good and bad lighting.  Make light level measurements
(illuminance, and luminance if possible) to get a feel for what are
reasonable levels and typical levels used.


9) Talk to your neighbors, astronomers, local police, etc., to see what
they think are problems with present outdoor lighting in your city.


10) Consider joining the DarkSky List Forum (or other outdoor lighting
forum).  Send an email to:  DarkSky-list-subscribe@yahoogroups....

A growing number of local, state, and federal officials with varying
levels of responsibility have joined the membership.  Many resources
exist in the associated Links and Files sections that may serve your
city's benefit.

David A. Penasa, PE   email: dpenasa@bplw...
Director of Electrical Engineering
member: IESNA, IDA, City of Albuquerque's Night Sky Protection Task
Force
assoc. member: IALD

****DESIGNING TO SHAPE THE FUTURE****
BPLW Architects & Engineers, Inc.
6200 Uptown Blvd. NE Suite 400
Albuquerque NM 87110 USA
Phone: (505) 881-2759 Fax: (505) 881-1230
website: http://www.bplw.com




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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:21:50 -0500
   From: Barry Johnson <johnsonb@ivwnet...>
Subject: Re: Need Help!  What kind of lights do I choose?

Why not replace them with the cutoff version of the Salem?  This is the TRCR
version with clear flat glass.  That way, the replacements would be
compatible with the existing post fittings.

Barry Johnson

paulatkinson22 wrote:

> My HO association has agreed to have our local power company come and
> remove three Salem Luminaires in our neighborhood.  However, I need
> to replace them with something that has cutoff lighting.  Any help
> anyone could give me in regards to good shielded lights would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Paul Atkinson
>
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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:00:12 -0700
   From: Steve Pauley <spauley@cox-internet...>
Subject: Lights, birds, and FLAP

I hope we don't make too much out of the Twin Tower lights.
It's a dumb idea, but fighting it gets us nowhere.  I do see
it as an educational opportunity so people think twice before
they knock the IDA and efforts to curb light pollution.

Pointing them to the FLAP web pages would be a good
first start:  http://www.flap.org/page1.htmFLAP
Birds do migrate long distances, and millions are killed
very year by tall buildings, and lighted buildings and towers.

Below is MY OWN summary of a talk given by Michael Mesure called
"Fatal Light Awareness Program" at the meeting at UCLA
called the "Ecological Consequences of Artificial Light at
Night."  The meeting was hosted by the Urban Wildlands Group
and the UCLA Institute of the Environment.

Disclaimer:  this is my own summary and does not
necessarily represent the author's or the meeting organizers'
assessment of the talk. It is incomplete and may contain errors.
Below is what I deemed to be the relevant information.
Steve Pauley MD

Fatal Light Awareness Program  Michael Mesure, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Called FLAP (www.flap.org), this growing charity (annual membership cost = 
$10), is bringing great awareness to the public of the dangers to birds 
posed by night-lighted buildings and towers, and reflected glass buildings 
during the day.  Formed in 1993, FLAP has saved thousands of stunned birds 
that have flown into lighted office towers at night and into reflected 
glass buildings during the day.  FLAP has a "Bird Friendly Building" (BFB) 
program where building managers agree to turn off most interior lights at 
night providing building owners energy savings and reducing C02 emissions. 
There are 100 BFB's in the program.

The public is asked to place stunned birds into paper bags and take them to 
known emergency areas. At one point they collected 141 species of dead 
birds during a single migration.  Since 1993, 18,415 birds have been logged 
and 50% were released.  Things that are least effective in collision 
prevention: plastic owls, noise makers, ByeBye Birdie devices (containers 
with magnets). What does work: web netting placed at night, frosting over 
glass, tapes that blow in the wind (residential use), and sun shields. Best 
of all: a filmy material that goes over windows. You see them on buses. You 
can see out, but can't see in - looks like a solid wall to a bird.  (The 
main point here is for architects who design tall buildings with glass not 
to light the interiors at night just for aesthetic reasons. It kills birds 
and wastes energy. Highly reflective - mirror type glass should not be used 
on tall buildings because during the day the glass mirrors the surrounding 
clouds and blue sky, and birds can not tell the difference.)  For the FLAP 
web page dealing with lights and towers: http://www.flap.org/page1.htmFLAP
Address: PO Box 20,  Lower Concourse,  Toronto, Ontario M5J2J1  (416) 366-3527



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Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:10:01 -0500
   From: "P. Edward Murray" <edward12@erols...>
Subject: Re: Certificates for Good Lighting..how about for Bad Lightingtoo!

There are just better ways of tribute to those who died.
Why must we always build something? Or Light something
up?

Ed



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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:13:22 EST
   From: saros61@aol...
Subject: Pillars of Light Redux


> http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,33042,00.html
> 
> Couldn't help notice the irony!
> 
> CF


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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:41:00 -0600
   From: "Karolyn Beebe" <keedo@merr...>
Subject: OKAY, OKAY: BIRDS FLY AT NIGHT , Re: towers of light

Found a site of op-ed pages so I opened Lionel
Waxman's site to see where his listeners are, and
there under Flashpoint!® Exclusives...

  OKAY, OKAY: BIRDS FLY AT NIGHT
 http://www.waxmanmedia.com/cgi-local/news.cgi?transcripts&07070182412

Letters did the trick! He'll broadcast his retraction next
week which also will be in the site.

Btw, here's the op-ed page site:
 http://www.opinion-pages.org/united_states.htm

Might come in handy if 7000-w cannons multiply. It's
linked in Columns, Columnists & Commentary that
might also lead to good contacts:
 http://www.opinion-pages.org/ccc-search.html






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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:16:24 -0800
   From: Paul Greenhalgh <fvas@shaw...>
Subject: Re: Anyone else care to field this one?

Well here's my attempt of setting the man straight. It may not be as elegant
as it should be, but I think I made some good points to ponder!


Dear Sir;
Yes I agree, God is the spiritual light of the world.  The light of our
souls, not the light to find the key hole in your front door! God knows our
needs for Darkness that is why God said let there be light, he called the
light DAY and the Dark Night! To this there is no doubt. But you cannot
compare what God has done to what Man is doing! Your comparison in this
matter of our earthly light has no merit.

But hey I'll turn the other cheek. But then again what do you expect from
someone such as yourself who is not fully informed.

One Coal Burning Power plant will reduce 250 rail cars of coal to ash in one
day! POLLUTION. You've seen the stacks of belching black smoke.

One Gas Burning Power Plant produces 2.4 million tons per year of carbon
dioxide. CO2 is a major contributor to climate change, which is recognized
as the single greatest threat to the survival of salmon.

This pollution includes ammonia, benzene, toluene, lead, arsenic, mercury,
and 17 other toxins, POLLUTION. These emissions will cause increased lung
disease, heart disease and death rates. This in from Washington State and
British Columbia Canada. Pollution in Chilliwack B.C and nearby US cities
already exceeds Environment Canada's Adverse Health Reference Levels 7 out
of 12 months. Computer modelling shows that Bellingham Washington and all of
Whatcom County will be affected by this pollution - it's not just a Sumas
Washington problem. These discharges are equal to 150,000 more cars in the
county - we only have 92,000 now. (3 tons per day = 1,095 tons per year).

Are you beginning to wheeze yet? These plants also produce contaminated
water by products that are flushed into local River systems. POLLUTION.

All this just so you can turn a light on. And feel a false sense of
security? Personally I trust in God, and I also know that NO LIGHT is going
to save me from any kind of harm, should it raise it's ugly head, especially
if that light is glaring into my eye's, which inturn put's me at a
disadvantage. I have yet to see a street light tackle a criminal. What will
save me is not to be foolish and go into areas of high crime or even
moderate crime. You cannot put your faith in a man made street light for
protection! That's just plain ridiculous.

Seattle Police set up a string operation not to long ago, and set up a
"Viper" directly under a street light. During the night they made 50
arrests. They placed the same car in an area that had no street lights and
made no arrests.

A five year study has been done in NYC, one half of the street is lit and
the other half is not. On the lit section, over the 5 year period, there
were hundreds of muggings, dope deals, car thefts and vandalism. On the
darkened side of the street...NOTHING! NADA No crime! Explain! I am not
saying remove the lights, rather reduce the glare so that you can truly see
what is going on around you and take appropriate action.

Criminals are human too and need light to see what they are doing, they also
feel that they can see danger coming from rival gang members, or police.
They fear the dark, because they fear the police are waiting for them there!
Now isn't that a switch?

Light Pollution activists are NOT TELLING ANYONE TO TURN OFF ANY LIGHTS! But
they are saying, use SMART LIGHTING, GOOD LIGHTING, Lighting that works with
you instead of against you! Have you ever watched an old time Cops and
Robbers movie, where the detectives shine a bright light into the criminals
eyes in a darkened room. You see the criminal but you can't see the
detectives you only hear their voices. It's rather affective!

Well believe it or not the same is true with regards to regular street
lights. The Glare reduces the ability of the Human eye to see, to really
see! Level the light, put in a flat lens, shine the light onto the ground
and the light is now working with you instead of against you!

Ever wonder why your desk lamp is shaped the way it is? To reduce the strain
on your eyes, unless of course you decide to tilt it up so the bulb is
exposed, which completely defeats the purpose.

Try it, darken the room you are in, tilt your desk lamp towards you just
enough to expose the bulb, simulating a standard street light, try to see
what is beyond the light. Difficult right? You can see but not well.  Now
level the light so the bulb isn't exposed. And look through the light and
beyond, Hmmmm now isn't that amazing? You can realllllly see! Everything!
Isn't the Human Eye a remarkable instrument!

So who's Nuts here? This isn't just about the NIGHT SKY, regaining the night
sky is only a by product of good effective, energy efficient lighting. A
bonus if you will.

Calgary Alberta estimates it will save approximately 2 to 3 million dollars
per year, once they have finished converting all their street lights to Full
Cut Off Optic street lights. Sounds like they will be able to afford a few
new fire trucks or police personel. Now that's alot more constructive than
to pump massive amounts of energy up and into the night sky. So which will
it be? Waste the Energy, or have a few more fire fighters on the streets
ready to save you and your family from some serious harm?

It is time that we take responsibility for our actions, God placed us on
this planet, and gave us a task to do. And that is to protect his creation!
So are you with us or against us?

Sincerely yours! I'll shine my light alright but not into your Bedroom!



Clear Skies!
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Paul Greenhalgh (Director)
Fraser Valley Astronomers Society
British Columbia Canada
http://www.fvas.net
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Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:39:21 -0500
   From: Susan Harder <lookout@hamptons...>
Subject: what a mess

Nothing could have done more to set us back this much:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/13/opinion/L13WTCC.html

EVERY time the Mayor speaks about this "memorial" he does say that it is
temporary.  MAYBE he's seeing the bigger picture.

Susan Harder

This guy in Tucson needs to be informed as to what these memorials would
do to his sky.



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Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:58:28 -0500
   From: "Kevin Wigell" <kwemail@twcny....com>
Subject: I Wish

 I Wish . . .

 I had a switch in my house that I could throw that would make it nearly
impossible for my neighbors to watch TV. Those who lived a bit farther down
the street from me could watch their TVs, but the pictures would be washed
out and the sound full of static. In order to watch TV when my switch was
activated, my neighbors would have to put their TVs in their cars and drive
for hours to get away from me and all the other people with similar switches
in their houses. To get good TV reception, they would have to take their TVs
to a special "TV Watching Park". There would be only two or three of these
"TV Watching Parks" in the eastern U.S. People would have to drive hundreds
of miles to get to a "TV Watching Park" if they wanted to get any kind of
decent reception on their TV.

But even at these special "TV Watching Parks", reception would gradually be
getting worse. In another decade or two, the only "TV Watching Parks" left
in the U.S. will be at a few remote locations in the western U.S. and
Alaska.

If I had such a switch, it would use copious amounts of electricity when
activated. But I wouldn't care, because I always felt safer whenever my
switch was on. And I would leave my switch on just about every evening,
often all night long, even when I wasn't at home. It's just too much trouble
to turn off that darned switch. I might even have my switch come on
automatically every evening and stay on until dawn.

Just about every business in town would have to have one of these special
switches as well. But they would have the commercial or industrial version,
which would block out TV reception completely for miles around. And each
business would compete to see who could get a switch that would block out TV
reception over the widest area. Because blocking out TV reception is a sure
way to get more business.

If there were such an "anti-TV switch", I wonder how long it would be before
it were outlawed?

by Kevin Wigell (aka the Dark Avenger)





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Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:27:56 EST
   From: ctstarwchr@aol...
Subject: Fwd: New International IDA Sections

Subject: Fwd: New International IDA Sections

Memorandum for IDA Sections, Affiliates and Listservers,

The IDA board of directors has approved two new international sections, one 
in Switzerland and the other in Chile.  On the behalf of nearly 9,000 IDA 
members from 77 countries, please join us in sending a warm welcome to our 
newest sections!  The contact information for our new sections included 
below. 

Momentum continues to build at an ever faster pace.  Everywhere, more people 
are demanding better quality lighting to control light pollution. This would 
not have been possible without your enthusiasm and outstanding efforts.  
Congratulations and keep up the good work!  

IDA Switzerland (Dark Skies Switzerland) 
Philipp Heck
Postfach
CH-8712 Staefa
Switzerland
E-mail: philipp@darksky...
Website: www.darksky.ch

IDA Chile
Roger Leiton
Descontaminacion Luminica en Chile
Casilla 603
La Serena, Chile
Phone: (011)-56-51-205200.
Fax:(011)-56-51-205212
Email: ida_chile@yahoo...

Very Respectfully,  
             Bob Gent
             Chair, IDA Sections Working Group and 
             European Liaison Officer 
             International Dark-Sky Association
                        www.darksky.org 




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Message: 15
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:58:15 EST
   From: saros61@aol...
Subject: Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill

http://college4.nytimes.com/guests/articles/2002/03/13/907763.xml

need i say what we're still up against?

CF


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Message: 16
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:02:12 EST
   From: saros61@aol...
Subject: Letter to NY TImes

>From the NY Times Letter Section:

<< To the Editor:

Ground zero is now connected to the heavens by beams of light (front page, 
March 12). Even just one ounce of light obliterates a ton of darkness.   
STEVEN SMOLIN
Staten Island, March 12, 2002 >>


Damn that wretched darkness!

CF

    
    



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Message: 17
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:04:52 EST
   From: saros61@aol...
Subject: Citizens Bypassing Elected Leaders?

http://college4.nytimes.com/guests/articles/2002/03/13/907731.xml


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Message: 18
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:20:32 EST
   From: ctstarwchr@aol...
Subject: Re: Welcome to IDA Mississippi Section

Another one joins the force!


In a message dated 3/13/02 3:06:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, RLGent1 writes:

> To IDA Sections, Affiliates, and associated listservers,
> 
> The International Dark-Sky Association (IDA) Board of Directors approved 
> the Mississippi section of IDA.  Please join us in sending a warm welcome 
> to our newest section.    The section contact information is:  
> 
>    Mississippi Outdoor Lighting Association
>    Donald P. Brannan, M.D.
>    P.O. Box 1106
>    Ridgeland, MS  39158-1106
>   
>    Phone: 601-714-3319
>    Fax:   601-714-3414
>    email: info@msola...
>   
>    The future web site is: (domain name reserved) www.msola.org
> 
> Best wishes,
>              Bob Gent
>              Chair, IDA Sections Working Group
> 
> -----------------------
> cc:    IDA Board
>          IDA Resources Manager
>          IDA Web Master
>          IDA PR officer
>          




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Message: 19
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:29:23 -0500
   From: Gary Citro <callisto@optonline...>
Subject: Fw: Fw: SL-List OKAY, OKAY: BIRDS FLY AT NIGHT


From: <REBEKAH.CRESHKOFF
To: "Gary Citro" <callisto@optonline...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: SL-List OKAY, OKAY: BIRDS FLY AT NIGHT


> 
> Many thanks to the Dark Sky gang for taking care of correcting this guy!
> 
> REBEKAH.CRESHKOFF
> NYC Audubon Society
> 



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Message: 20
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:40:50 -0600
   From: "Bill & Michelle Bahus" <thebahuses@skylog...>
Subject: Re: Anyone else care to field this one?

Did anybody notice that he appears to be in Arizona? Don't they already
enjoy the type and quality of outdoor lighting regulations/laws that the
rest of us would like where we live? Or am I wrong about the AZ laws?
Bill B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Griswold" <griz@lightfromabove...>
To: "DarkSky List" <DarkSky-list@yahoogroups...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: [DSLF] Anyone else care to field this one?


> http://www.familymatters.ws/Newsletter/may_99.asp
>
> He will be hearing from me.
>
> Peace & Dark Skies,
> Scott Griswold
>
>
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Message: 21
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:43:53 -0600
   From: "Bill & Michelle Bahus" <thebahuses@skylog...>
Subject: Re: Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill

Not to be too anal, but what does that have to do with light pollution?
Unless you're talking about the overly bright headlights needing more fuel
to light them.
Bill B.
----- Original Message -----
From: <saros61@aol...>
To: <DarkSky-list@yahoogroups...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: [DSLF] Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill


> http://college4.nytimes.com/guests/articles/2002/03/13/907763.xml
>
> need i say what we're still up against?
>
> CF
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________
> To subscribe to the DarkSky List Forum send email
> to:  DarkSky-list-subscribe@yahoogroups...
>
> Help save your town from obtrusive lighting --
> invite your planning and zoning department to
> join us!  Ask them to visit the IDA website at
> http://www.darksky.org today!
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>



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Message: 22
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:06:04 -0800
   From: Paul Greenhalgh <fvas@shaw...>
Subject: Another Television Program on the wire.

I've received several phone calls as of late from CBC "French" TV. Wanting
to come out to the Dark Sky Park, Talk about Light Pollution and talk about
what the City of Abbotsford British Columbia is doing with their new
installations of the FCO street lights. Seems to me that they also want to
talk about the whole gambit of Astronomy, and Light Pollution as well as
good quality lighting! I have several key area's I can show them. Plus an
excellent vantage point that show's the entire city from high on a local
mountain. This should be a rather dramatic affect. I also know of a spot
that has a CCTV camera attached to a lamp post, directed towards a "Brass
Eagle" that keeps going missing. The lamp the camera and the eagle can be
plainly seen, yet with all this, the eagle still disappears! So the issue of
security can be talked about here. Which in my proves a point, if they want
it, they are going to get it, no matter what kind of precautions you have
taken.

At anyrate, wish me luck! I hope I do justice with regards to promoting good
quality lighting practices as well as energy saving methods. HERE WE GO
AGAIN!


Clear Skies!
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Paul Greenhalgh (Director)
Fraser Valley Astronomers Society
British Columbia Canada
http://www.fvas.net
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Message: 23
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:30:22 -0700
   From: "Mike J. Shade" <mshade@theriver...>
Subject: Re: Anyone else care to field this one?

At 06:40 PM 3/13/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Did anybody notice that he appears to be in Arizona? Don't they already
>enjoy the type and quality of outdoor lighting regulations/laws that the
>rest of us would like where we live? Or am I wrong about the AZ laws?
>Bill B.

Yes, I noticed and also live in AZ where, sadly, most people are ignorant 
of both the state and county laws.
The individual in question is ignorant and not likely to be educated.  I as 
many of you did sent him an e-mail
but I'm sure that this will do nothing but reinforce his position that we 
are a bunch of nuts.


Mike J. Shade: mshade@theriver...
Sonoita Hills Observatory, Sonoita Arizona

See work done at the observatory: http://c3po.cochise.cc.az.us/astro
under the "photographs and images" panel on the left of the screen.

"I like the dark, it's cheap."  E. B. Scrooge  www.darksky.org "I'm a 
member, are you?"





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Message: 24
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:44:33 -0800
   From: Arnold Kenneth J PSNS <arnoldk@psns....mil>
Subject: RE: Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill

National policy on all types of pollution is of interest to this group.  
Not that we need to spend much time discussing other types of pollution.  
Its good to keep our selves informed on the attitude of the Senate.
Our legislators won't take air pollution seriously, so our chances 
for national legislation on light pollution this year are pretty slim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill & Michelle Bahus [mailto:thebahuses@skylog...]
Sent: 13 March, 2002 4:44 PM
To: DarkSky-list@yahoogroups...
Subject: Re: [DSLF] Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill


Not to be too anal, but what does that have to do with light pollution?
Unless you're talking about the overly bright headlights needing more fuel
to light them.
Bill B.
----- Original Message -----
From: <saros61@aol...>
To: <DarkSky-list@yahoogroups...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: [DSLF] Senate Rejects Fuel Efficiency Bill


> http://college4.nytimes.com/guests/articles/2002/03/13/907763.xml
>
> need i say what we're still up against?
>
> CF
>



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Message: 25
   Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:34:52 -0500
   From: Yvan Dutil <yvan.dutil@sympatico...>
Subject: Re: Another Television Program on the wire.



Paul Greenhalgh a écrit :

> I've received several phone calls as of late from CBC "French" TV. Wanting
> to come out to the Dark Sky Park, Talk about Light Pollution and talk about
> what the City of Abbotsford British Columbia is doing with their new
> installations of the FCO street lights. Seems to me that they also want to
> talk about the whole gambit of Astronomy, and Light Pollution as well as
> good quality lighting! I have several key area's I can show them. Plus an
> excellent vantage point that show's the entire city from high on a local
> mountain. This should be a rather dramatic affect. I also know of a spot
> that has a CCTV camera attached to a lamp post, directed towards a "Brass
> Eagle" that keeps going missing. The lamp the camera and the eagle can be
> plainly seen, yet with all this, the eagle still disappears! So the issue of
> security can be talked about here. Which in my proves a point, if they want
> it, they are going to get it, no matter what kind of precautions you have
> taken.
>
> At anyrate, wish me luck! I hope I do justice with regards to promoting good
> quality lighting practices as well as energy saving methods. HERE WE GO
> AGAIN!
>
> Clear Skies!

Good Luck Paul, and dont forget to gave them my name :)

Yvan Dutil



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